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            <journal-id journal-id-type="pmc">F1000Research</journal-id>
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                <journal-title>F1000Research</journal-title>
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            <issn pub-type="epub">2046-1402</issn>
            <publisher>
                <publisher-name>F1000 Research Limited</publisher-name>
                <publisher-loc>London, UK</publisher-loc>
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        <article-meta>
            <article-id pub-id-type="doi">10.12688/f1000research.129479.1</article-id>
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                <subj-group subj-group-type="heading">
                    <subject>Research Article</subject>
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                <subj-group>
                    <subject>Articles</subject>
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            <title-group>
                <article-title>Transition from transperitoneal to retroperitoneal approach in laparoscopic living donor nephrectomy: team-based and individual learning curve: a cross-sectional study</article-title>
                <fn-group content-type="pub-status">
                    <fn>
                        <p>[version 1; peer review: 2 approved with reservations]</p>
                    </fn>
                </fn-group>
            </title-group>
            <contrib-group>
                <contrib contrib-type="author" corresp="yes">
                    <name>
                        <surname>Wahyudi</surname>
                        <given-names>Irfan</given-names>
                    </name>
                    <role content-type="http://credit.niso.org/">Conceptualization</role>
                    <role content-type="http://credit.niso.org/">Data Curation</role>
                    <role content-type="http://credit.niso.org/">Formal Analysis</role>
                    <role content-type="http://credit.niso.org/">Funding Acquisition</role>
                    <role content-type="http://credit.niso.org/">Investigation</role>
                    <role content-type="http://credit.niso.org/">Methodology</role>
                    <role content-type="http://credit.niso.org/">Project Administration</role>
                    <role content-type="http://credit.niso.org/">Resources</role>
                    <role content-type="http://credit.niso.org/">Software</role>
                    <role content-type="http://credit.niso.org/">Validation</role>
                    <role content-type="http://credit.niso.org/">Visualization</role>
                    <role content-type="http://credit.niso.org/">Writing &#x2013; Original Draft Preparation</role>
                    <role content-type="http://credit.niso.org/">Writing &#x2013; Review &amp; Editing</role>
                    <xref ref-type="corresp" rid="c1">a</xref>
                    <xref ref-type="aff" rid="a1">1</xref>
                </contrib>
                <contrib contrib-type="author" corresp="no">
                    <name>
                        <surname>Adriansyah</surname>
                        <given-names>Ilham Azka</given-names>
                    </name>
                    <role content-type="http://credit.niso.org/">Conceptualization</role>
                    <role content-type="http://credit.niso.org/">Data Curation</role>
                    <role content-type="http://credit.niso.org/">Formal Analysis</role>
                    <role content-type="http://credit.niso.org/">Investigation</role>
                    <role content-type="http://credit.niso.org/">Methodology</role>
                    <role content-type="http://credit.niso.org/">Project Administration</role>
                    <role content-type="http://credit.niso.org/">Resources</role>
                    <role content-type="http://credit.niso.org/">Software</role>
                    <role content-type="http://credit.niso.org/">Validation</role>
                    <role content-type="http://credit.niso.org/">Writing &#x2013; Original Draft Preparation</role>
                    <role content-type="http://credit.niso.org/">Writing &#x2013; Review &amp; Editing</role>
                    <xref ref-type="aff" rid="a1">1</xref>
                </contrib>
                <contrib contrib-type="author" corresp="no">
                    <name>
                        <surname>Yonathan</surname>
                        <given-names>Kevin</given-names>
                    </name>
                    <role content-type="http://credit.niso.org/">Conceptualization</role>
                    <role content-type="http://credit.niso.org/">Data Curation</role>
                    <role content-type="http://credit.niso.org/">Methodology</role>
                    <role content-type="http://credit.niso.org/">Project Administration</role>
                    <role content-type="http://credit.niso.org/">Resources</role>
                    <role content-type="http://credit.niso.org/">Writing &#x2013; Original Draft Preparation</role>
                    <role content-type="http://credit.niso.org/">Writing &#x2013; Review &amp; Editing</role>
                    <uri content-type="orcid">https://orcid.org/0000-0002-3089-0652</uri>
                    <xref ref-type="aff" rid="a1">1</xref>
                </contrib>
                <contrib contrib-type="author" corresp="no">
                    <name>
                        <surname>Widia</surname>
                        <given-names>Fina</given-names>
                    </name>
                    <role content-type="http://credit.niso.org/">Conceptualization</role>
                    <role content-type="http://credit.niso.org/">Formal Analysis</role>
                    <role content-type="http://credit.niso.org/">Resources</role>
                    <role content-type="http://credit.niso.org/">Validation</role>
                    <role content-type="http://credit.niso.org/">Writing &#x2013; Review &amp; Editing</role>
                    <xref ref-type="aff" rid="a1">1</xref>
                </contrib>
                <contrib contrib-type="author" corresp="no">
                    <name>
                        <surname>Hamid</surname>
                        <given-names>Agus Rizal A</given-names>
                    </name>
                    <role content-type="http://credit.niso.org/">Conceptualization</role>
                    <role content-type="http://credit.niso.org/">Formal Analysis</role>
                    <role content-type="http://credit.niso.org/">Resources</role>
                    <role content-type="http://credit.niso.org/">Writing &#x2013; Review &amp; Editing</role>
                    <uri content-type="orcid">https://orcid.org/0000-0002-7538-2811</uri>
                    <xref ref-type="aff" rid="a1">1</xref>
                </contrib>
                <contrib contrib-type="author" corresp="no">
                    <name>
                        <surname>Mochtar</surname>
                        <given-names>Chaidir Arif</given-names>
                    </name>
                    <role content-type="http://credit.niso.org/">Conceptualization</role>
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                    <xref ref-type="aff" rid="a1">1</xref>
                </contrib>
                <aff id="a1">
                    <label>1</label>Department of Urology, University of Indonesia, Jakarta, DKI Jakarta, 10430, Indonesia</aff>
            </contrib-group>
            <author-notes>
                <corresp id="c1">
                    <label>a</label>
                    <email xlink:href="mailto:irf.wahyudi2011@gmail.com">irf.wahyudi2011@gmail.com</email>
                </corresp>
                <fn fn-type="conflict">
                    <p>No competing interests were disclosed.</p>
                </fn>
            </author-notes>
            <pub-date pub-type="epub">
                <day>4</day>
                <month>5</month>
                <year>2023</year>
            </pub-date>
            <pub-date pub-type="collection">
                <year>2023</year>
            </pub-date>
            <volume>12</volume>
            <elocation-id>464</elocation-id>
            <history>
                <date date-type="accepted">
                    <day>6</day>
                    <month>1</month>
                    <year>2023</year>
                </date>
            </history>
            <permissions>
                <copyright-statement>Copyright: &#x00a9; 2023 Wahyudi I et al.</copyright-statement>
                <copyright-year>2023</copyright-year>
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                    <license-p>This is an open access article distributed under the terms of the Creative Commons Attribution Licence, which permits unrestricted use, distribution, and reproduction in any medium, provided the original work is properly cited.</license-p>
                </license>
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            <self-uri content-type="pdf" xlink:href="https://f1000research.com/articles/12-464/pdf"/>
            <abstract>
                <p>
                    <bold>Background:</bold> Laparoscopic living donor nephrectomy (LLDN) is a standard practice for kidney donor transplantation due to fewer complications associated with the treatment. Retroperitoneal approach to LLDN is thought to be more advantageous in preventing injuries to various abdominal organs. However, the transition process from transperitoneal to retroperitoneal LLDN is important to ensure the best outcome for the patients. The aim of this study was to investigate the learning curve for retroperitoneal approach in LLDN among urologists in an individual and team-based approach</p>
                <p>
                    <bold>Methods:</bold> A retrospective analysis of retroperitoneal LLDN was performed on procedures performed by a kidney donor team consisting of four urologists from January 2019 to January 2022 at Cipto Mangunkusumo National General Hospital, Indonesia. The data were taken from pre-existing medical records. The learning curve for the operation time, warm ischemic time, and estimated blood loss was analyzed using cumulative sum (CUSUM) analysis. Phase 1 represents the initial learning curve, the phase 2 plateau represents the period of proficiency, while phase 3 represents the mastery period.</p>
                <p>
                    <bold>Results:</bold> A total of 127 retroperitoneal LLDN procedures were done during the study period by four operators with various experience. The average procedure needed to achieve proficiency was 16.5 procedures. Meanwhile, the average procedure needed to achieve mastery was 28 procedures. Shorter learning curve was achieved by operators with more experience in other laparoscopic procedures.</p>
                <p>
                    <bold>Conclusions:</bold> The learning curve for transition from transperitoneal to retroperitoneal approach to LLDN is relatively short and feasible for both individuals and teams of urologists. Therefore, transition to retroperitoneal approach is a feasible option to reduce the complication rate of LLDN.</p>
            </abstract>
            <kwd-group kwd-group-type="author">
                <kwd>kidney donor</kwd>
                <kwd>laparoscopy</kwd>
                <kwd>nephrectomy</kwd>
                <kwd>transplantation</kwd>
            </kwd-group>
            <funding-group>
                <award-group id="fund-1" xlink:href="http://dx.doi.org/10.13039/501100006378">
                    <funding-source>Universitas Indonesia</funding-source>
                    <award-id>NKB-1235/UN2.RST/HKP.05.00/2022</award-id>
                </award-group>
                <funding-statement>The funding for this study was partially fulfilled by Universitas Indonesia with International Indexed Publication Grant Program (PUTI) [grant number NKB-1235/UN2.RST/HKP.05.00/2022]</funding-statement>
            </funding-group>
        </article-meta>
    </front>
    <body>
        <sec id="sec1" sec-type="intro">
            <title>Introduction</title>
            <p>Kidney transplantation is the best available option for the management of end stage renal disease (ESRD).
                <sup>
                    <xref ref-type="bibr" rid="ref1">1</xref>
                </sup> Transplantation reduces the risk of cardiovascular and mortality events, while also improving quality of life compared to chronic hemodialysis.
                <sup>
                    <xref ref-type="bibr" rid="ref2">2</xref>
                </sup> Living donor transplantation is preferred over deceased donor, as it has better survival rates and less delayed graft function.
                <sup>
                    <xref ref-type="bibr" rid="ref3">3</xref>
                </sup>
                <sup>,</sup>
                <sup>
                    <xref ref-type="bibr" rid="ref4">4</xref>
                </sup> Laparoscopic living donor nephrectomy (LLDN) is the standard surgical practice due to fewer complications associated with the treatment.
                <sup>
                    <xref ref-type="bibr" rid="ref5">5</xref>
                </sup> This technique includes standard laparoscopic, hand-assisted laparoscopic, hand-assisted retroperitoneoscopic, pure retroperitoneoscopic, and robot-assisted live donor nephrectomy.
                <sup>
                    <xref ref-type="bibr" rid="ref6">6</xref>
                </sup>
                <sup>&#x2013;</sup>
                <sup>
                    <xref ref-type="bibr" rid="ref9">9</xref>
                </sup>
            </p>
            <p>Previous studies have shown that the retroperitoneal approach to LLDN has more advantages than the transperitoneal approach; namely shorter access to renal arteries and veins, better visualization during donor nephrectomy, and prevention of injuries of the liver, spleen, and bowel.
                <sup>
                    <xref ref-type="bibr" rid="ref10">10</xref>
                </sup>
                <sup>&#x2013;</sup>
                <sup>
                    <xref ref-type="bibr" rid="ref13">13</xref>
                </sup> However, some adjustments to the techniques require additional training for the operators performing the technique. Evaluation of surgical practice performances could be done using the learning curve.
                <sup>
                    <xref ref-type="bibr" rid="ref14">14</xref>
                </sup> However, there has only a few studies regarding the learning curve of the retroperitoneal approach of LLDN. Moreover, a previous study only analyzed learning curve on a single operator, although LLDN is usually performed by a team.
                <sup>
                    <xref ref-type="bibr" rid="ref15">15</xref>
                </sup>
            </p>
            <p>Therefore, this study aims to investigate the learning curve for retroperitoneal approach in LLDN among urologists in an individual and team-based approach.</p>
        </sec>
        <sec id="sec2" sec-type="methods">
            <title>Methods</title>
            <p>A retrospective analysis of laparoscopic living donor nephrectomy (LLDN) procedures was done on four different urologists (operators) with different levels of experience from January 2019 to January 2022 at Cipto Mangunkusumo National General Hospital, Indonesia. All of the operators in our kidney donor team were included in this study. The date was determined as the first LLDN in our center was performed in January 2019 while the endpoint was the most recent date that the yearly review of the procedure was carried out.</p>
            <p>Ethical Approval to conduct this study was issued by the ethics committee of the Faculty of Medicine Universitas Indonesia&#x2013;Cipto Mangunkusumo Hospital (KET-720/UN2.F1/ETIK/2018). All patients had received detailed preoperative counselling and their decision to undergo the procedure was taken with written informed consent prior to the surgery. Meanwhile, the data used in this study were collected from the medical records of the patients. The written permission was granted by the ethics committee of the Faculty of Medicine Universitas Indonesia&#x2013;Cipto Mangunkusumo Hospital for the publication of the study results.</p>
            <p>Demographical data was collected from the electronic medical record, including age, sex, and body mass index (BMI, calculated as weight in kilograms divided by square of height in meters). Preoperative data included number of arteries involved and side of the donor kidney. Intraoperative data included surgery duration, warm ischemic time (WIT), and estimated blood loss (EBL). Surgery duration was determined as the length of time from the first incision to renal artery clamping, as the final closure was sometimes done by the residents due to the study location being a teaching hospital. WIT was documented as the length of time from clamping to cold ischemic time. Postoperative complication was documented in accordance to the pre-existing data in the medical records.</p>
            <sec id="sec3">
                <title>Operative technique</title>
                <p>The operative technique used in this study has been reported in other publications and become the routine technique used in our center, including for the subjects in this study.
                    <sup>
                        <xref ref-type="bibr" rid="ref8">8</xref>
                    </sup>
                    <sup>,</sup>
                    <sup>
                        <xref ref-type="bibr" rid="ref16">16</xref>
                    </sup> The LLDN was done under general anesthesia and the donor was positioned in the lateral decubitus position. First incision was then made one finger below the 12
                    <sup>th</sup> rib with open approach (Hasson technique) to reach access to retroperitoneal space. Retroperitoneal space was created using balloon dilator. Afterward, an 11 mm trocar was then inserted into retroperitoneal space for camera. Other two incisions were made in line: one at the costovertebral angle and one the above anterior superior iliac spine. Pneumoretroperitoneum was created using a carbon dioxide (CO
                    <sub>2</sub>) insufflation and the pressure maintained at 12 mmHg. The psoas muscle was identified and the Gerota fascia was incised to expose the ureter. Furthermore, the gonadal vein was identified, and its course was followed upward to find the renal vein. Each renal pedicle was identified individually and dissected. Perirenal fat was then dissected from renal parenchyma and the kidney was mobilized. Further dissection was performed to renal artery until its base at aorta and renal vein until below gonadal and adrenal tributaries. The ureter was dissected until the distal part near its crossing to iliac vessel. Retrieval of the kidney was done 
                    <italic toggle="yes">via</italic> suprapubic access created through a modified Pfannenstiel incision.</p>
            </sec>
            <sec id="sec4">
                <title>Operators</title>
                <p>In this study, the procedures were performed by four urologists, namely surgeon 1 (S1), surgeon 2 (S2), surgeon 3 (S3) and surgeon 4 (S4). S1 was a urologist with more than 15 years of laparoscopy experience, S2 was a urologist with more than nine years of laparoscopy experience, S3 was a urologist with more than eight years of experience, while S4 was a urologist with more than four years of experience. All of the urology surgeons had performed more than 100 transperitoneal approach LLDN with limited experiences in retroperitoneal approach for other laparoscopic urology procedures, such as partial nephrectomy, adrenalectomy, unroofing renal cyst and proximal ureterolithotomy.</p>
                <p>The learning method for retroperitoneal approaches used was done by viewing the video and visiting urology centers which are familiar with retroperitoneal approach of laparoscopy procedures, either for LLDN or for other nephrectomy procedures. The urology centers visited for the study were The Academic Medical Center, University of Amsterdam (Amsterdam, Netherlands), Radboud University Medical Center (Nijmegen, Netherlands), and SLK Kliniken Heilbronn GmbH (Heilbronn, Germany).</p>
                <p>The average of LLDN surgery in our hospital was between two and three surgeries per week. As per the protocol in our center, all the surgeons were arranged to have fair and similar opportunity to perform retroperitoneal approach LLDN regularly, including in the transition process.</p>
            </sec>
            <sec id="sec5">
                <title>Statistical analysis</title>
                <p>Cumulative sum (CUSUM) analysis was performed with SPSS version 20 (RRID:SCR_016479)(IBM Corp, 2011)
                    <sup>
                        <xref ref-type="bibr" rid="ref31">17</xref>
                    </sup> to investigate individual surgeon operative time learning curves to reach optimal performance. Team-based analysis was separately performed to analyze the operative time by all of the four urologists. Three indicators, namely duration of surgery, WIT, and EBL were collected from pre-existing medical records and evaluated to represent the learning process taking place as the surgery repetition occurred. The CUSUM is the running total of differences between the individual data points and the mean of all data points, thus it can be performed recursively. The cases were ordered chronologically from the earliest to the most recent. The surgery duration for each case was defined as x
                    <sub>i</sub> and the mean surgery duration of all cases was defined as &#x03bc;. Therefore, the CUSUM at surgery duration n (CUSUM
                    <sub>SDn</sub>) might be calculated as follow:
                    <disp-formula id="e1">
                        <mml:math display="block">
                            <mml:msub>
                                <mml:mtext>CUSUM</mml:mtext>
                                <mml:mi>SDn</mml:mi>
                            </mml:msub>
                            <mml:mo>=</mml:mo>
                            <mml:munderover>
                                <mml:mo>&#x2211;</mml:mo>
                                <mml:mrow>
                                    <mml:mi mathvariant="normal">i</mml:mi>
                                    <mml:mo>=</mml:mo>
                                    <mml:mn>1</mml:mn>
                                </mml:mrow>
                                <mml:mi mathvariant="normal">n</mml:mi>
                            </mml:munderover>
                            <mml:msub>
                                <mml:mi mathvariant="normal">x</mml:mi>
                                <mml:mi mathvariant="normal">i</mml:mi>
                            </mml:msub>
                            <mml:mo>&#x2212;</mml:mo>
                            <mml:mi mathvariant="normal">&#x03bc;</mml:mi>
                        </mml:math>
                    </disp-formula>
                </p>
                <p>The CUSUM
                    <sub>SD1</sub> of the first case was the difference between the duration of surgery for the first case and the &#x03bc;. The CUSUM
                    <sub>SD2</sub> of the second case was the previous case&#x2019;s CUSUM
                    <sub>SD</sub> added to the difference between the duration of surgery for the second case and the &#x03bc;. The process then continued until the CUSUM
                    <sub>SD</sub> for the last case was calculated.
                    <sup>
                        <xref ref-type="bibr" rid="ref17">18</xref>
                    </sup>
                </p>
                <p>All of the surgeons in this study experienced three learning phases as described in a previous study.
                    <sup>
                        <xref ref-type="bibr" rid="ref17">18</xref>
                    </sup> The three phases of the learning curve were identified by the inflection point of the CUSUM curve. Phase 1 (learning period) showed an expected incline in CUSUM curve which was the initial learning curve, phase 2 (proficiency) showed a decline in CUSUM curve, with a plateau which was the proficient phase with additional experience obtained leading to the achievement of expert competence. Phase 3 was defined as the post-learning (mastery) period, as seen in typical learning curve studies in which there was steeper decline of the CUSUM curve.</p>
                <p>To determine the difference of characteristics and outcomes between phases, the Chi-square test was used to analyze categorical data and Wilcoxon test was used to analyze numerical data. All statistical tests were 2-tailed, and a p-value of &lt; 0.05 was considered to as statistical significance. The statistical analyses were performed with SPSS version 20 (RRID:SCR_016479) (IBM Corp, 2011).</p>
            </sec>
        </sec>
        <sec id="sec6" sec-type="results">
            <title>Results</title>
            <p>A total of 127 patients underwent LLDN during the three years [30], with 31 operations done by S1, 30 operations by S2, 38 operations by S3, and 28 operations by S4. There was no conversion to open nephrectomy during the surgeries performed in this study.</p>
            <sec id="sec7">
                <title>Individual learning curve of retroperitoneal LLDN operator</title>
                <p>CUSUM analysis of LLDN operative time is shown in 
                    <xref ref-type="fig" rid="f1">Figure 1</xref>. Based on the analysis of each surgeons, the average number of procedures needed to achieve proficiency (phase 2) was 16.5. Meanwhile, the average number of procedures needed to achieve mastery (phase 3) was 28. However, S4 did not achieve mastery during the study, thus the average number of procedures needed to achieve mastery was calculated only for S1, S2, and S3.</p>
                <fig fig-type="figure" id="f1" orientation="portrait" position="float">
                    <label>Figure 1. </label>
                    <caption>
                        <title>Cumulative SUM (CUSUM) for operation time of Laparoscopic Living Donor Nephrectomy (LLDN).</title>
                        <p>(a) Surgeon 1 (15+ years of exp), (b) Surgeon 2 (9+ years of exp), (c) Surgeon 3 (8+ years of exp), (d) Surgeon 4 (4+ years of exp).</p>
                    </caption>
                    <graphic id="gr1" orientation="portrait" position="float" xlink:href="https://f1000research-files.f1000.com/manuscripts/142165/51f96f4d-3e22-4cf8-a188-692370203624_figure1.gif"/>
                </fig>
            </sec>
            <sec id="sec8">
                <title>Team-based learning curve of retroperitoneal LLDN operator</title>
                <p>Based on the analysis, it can be assumed that the number of procedures needed as a team to achieve proficiency (phase 2) was 66 procedures, while the number of procedures needed as a team to achieve mastery (phase 3) was 106 procedures (
                    <xref ref-type="fig" rid="f2">Figure 2</xref>).</p>
                <fig fig-type="figure" id="f2" orientation="portrait" position="float">
                    <label>Figure 2. </label>
                    <caption>
                        <title>Team-based learning curve of retroperitoneal Laparoscopic Living Donor Nephrectomy (LLDN) Operator.</title>
                    </caption>
                    <graphic id="gr2" orientation="portrait" position="float" xlink:href="https://f1000research-files.f1000.com/manuscripts/142165/51f96f4d-3e22-4cf8-a188-692370203624_figure2.gif"/>
                </fig>
            </sec>
            <sec id="sec9">
                <title>Clinical outcome compared to experience</title>
                <p>There was a significant reduction in operative time after proficiency and mastery of LLDN (P &lt; 0.001). Meanwhile, intraoperative WIT, EBL, and postoperative complication shows no significant difference between phases (
                    <xref ref-type="table" rid="T1">Table 1</xref>).</p>
                <table-wrap id="T1" orientation="portrait" position="float">
                    <label>Table 1. </label>
                    <caption>
                        <title>Clinical outcome of donors in each phase.</title>
                    </caption>
                    <table content-type="article-table" frame="hsides">
                        <thead>
                            <tr>
                                <th align="left" colspan="1" rowspan="1" valign="top">Variables</th>
                                <th align="left" colspan="1" rowspan="1" valign="top">Phase 1 (n = 66)</th>
                                <th align="left" colspan="1" rowspan="1" valign="top">Phase 2 (n = 40)</th>
                                <th align="left" colspan="1" rowspan="1" valign="top">Phase 3 (n = 21)</th>
                                <th align="left" colspan="1" rowspan="1" valign="top">p</th>
                            </tr>
                        </thead>
                        <tbody>
                            <tr>
                                <td align="left" colspan="1" rowspan="1" valign="top">Age (years), median (min-max)</td>
                                <td align="left" colspan="1" rowspan="1" valign="top">47 (22-71)</td>
                                <td align="left" colspan="1" rowspan="1" valign="top">41.5 (22-65)</td>
                                <td align="left" colspan="1" rowspan="1" valign="top">37 (23-68)</td>
                                <td align="left" colspan="1" rowspan="1" valign="top">0.073</td>
                            </tr>
                            <tr>
                                <td align="left" colspan="1" rowspan="1" valign="top">Sex</td>
                                <td colspan="1" rowspan="1"/>
                                <td colspan="1" rowspan="1"/>
                                <td colspan="1" rowspan="1"/>
                                <td align="left" colspan="1" rowspan="1" valign="top">0.189</td>
                            </tr>
                            <tr>
                                <td align="left" colspan="1" rowspan="1" valign="top">&#x2003;Male</td>
                                <td align="left" colspan="1" rowspan="1" valign="top">26 (39.4%)</td>
                                <td align="left" colspan="1" rowspan="1" valign="top">19 (47.5%)</td>
                                <td align="left" colspan="1" rowspan="1" valign="top">13 (61.9%)</td>
                                <td colspan="1" rowspan="1"/>
                            </tr>
                            <tr>
                                <td align="left" colspan="1" rowspan="1" valign="top">&#x2003;Female</td>
                                <td align="left" colspan="1" rowspan="1" valign="top">40 (60.6%)</td>
                                <td align="left" colspan="1" rowspan="1" valign="top">21 (52.5%)</td>
                                <td align="left" colspan="1" rowspan="1" valign="top">8 (38.1%)</td>
                                <td colspan="1" rowspan="1"/>
                            </tr>
                            <tr>
                                <td align="left" colspan="1" rowspan="1" valign="top">BMI (kg/m
                                    <sup>2</sup>), median (min-max)</td>
                                <td align="left" colspan="1" rowspan="1" valign="top">25.2 (15.6-32.8)</td>
                                <td align="left" colspan="1" rowspan="1" valign="top">24.3 (17.0-36.1)</td>
                                <td align="left" colspan="1" rowspan="1" valign="top">24.5 (17.4-32.5)</td>
                                <td align="left" colspan="1" rowspan="1" valign="top">0.626</td>
                            </tr>
                            <tr>
                                <td align="left" colspan="1" rowspan="1" valign="top">Side of donor kidney transplanted</td>
                                <td colspan="1" rowspan="1"/>
                                <td colspan="1" rowspan="1"/>
                                <td colspan="1" rowspan="1"/>
                                <td align="left" colspan="1" rowspan="1" valign="top">1.000</td>
                            </tr>
                            <tr>
                                <td align="left" colspan="1" rowspan="1" valign="top">&#x2003;Left</td>
                                <td align="left" colspan="1" rowspan="1" valign="top">66 (100%)</td>
                                <td align="left" colspan="1" rowspan="1" valign="top">40 (100%)</td>
                                <td align="left" colspan="1" rowspan="1" valign="top">21 (100%)</td>
                                <td colspan="1" rowspan="1"/>
                            </tr>
                            <tr>
                                <td align="left" colspan="1" rowspan="1" valign="top">&#x2003;Right</td>
                                <td align="left" colspan="1" rowspan="1" valign="top">0</td>
                                <td align="left" colspan="1" rowspan="1" valign="top">0</td>
                                <td align="left" colspan="1" rowspan="1" valign="top">0</td>
                                <td colspan="1" rowspan="1"/>
                            </tr>
                            <tr>
                                <td align="left" colspan="1" rowspan="1" valign="top">Arteries</td>
                                <td colspan="1" rowspan="1"/>
                                <td colspan="1" rowspan="1"/>
                                <td colspan="1" rowspan="1"/>
                                <td align="left" colspan="1" rowspan="1" valign="top">0.347</td>
                            </tr>
                            <tr>
                                <td align="left" colspan="1" rowspan="1" valign="top">&#x2003;Single</td>
                                <td align="left" colspan="1" rowspan="1" valign="top">55 (83.3%)</td>
                                <td align="left" colspan="1" rowspan="1" valign="top">37 (92.5%)</td>
                                <td align="left" colspan="1" rowspan="1" valign="top">19 (90.5%)</td>
                                <td colspan="1" rowspan="1"/>
                            </tr>
                            <tr>
                                <td align="left" colspan="1" rowspan="1" valign="top">&#x2003;Multiple</td>
                                <td align="left" colspan="1" rowspan="1" valign="top">11 (16.7%)</td>
                                <td align="left" colspan="1" rowspan="1" valign="top">3 (7.5%)</td>
                                <td align="left" colspan="1" rowspan="1" valign="top">2 (9.5%)</td>
                                <td colspan="1" rowspan="1"/>
                            </tr>
                            <tr>
                                <td align="left" colspan="1" rowspan="1" valign="top">Surgery duration (min), median (min-max)</td>
                                <td align="left" colspan="1" rowspan="1" valign="top">186 (110-345)</td>
                                <td align="left" colspan="1" rowspan="1" valign="top">150 (85-289)</td>
                                <td align="left" colspan="1" rowspan="1" valign="top">140 (90-230)</td>
                                <td align="left" colspan="1" rowspan="1" valign="top">
                                    <bold>&lt; 0.001</bold>
                                </td>
                            </tr>
                            <tr>
                                <td align="left" colspan="1" rowspan="1" valign="top">WIT, median (min-max)</td>
                                <td align="left" colspan="1" rowspan="1" valign="top">4.05 (2.12-13.32)</td>
                                <td align="left" colspan="1" rowspan="1" valign="top">4.02 (2.33-11.65)</td>
                                <td align="left" colspan="1" rowspan="1" valign="top">3.53 (3.07-7.43)</td>
                                <td align="left" colspan="1" rowspan="1" valign="top">0.315</td>
                            </tr>
                            <tr>
                                <td align="left" colspan="1" rowspan="1" valign="top">EBL (mL), median (min-max)</td>
                                <td align="left" colspan="1" rowspan="1" valign="top">70 (10-340)</td>
                                <td align="left" colspan="1" rowspan="1" valign="top">50 (30-200)</td>
                                <td align="left" colspan="1" rowspan="1" valign="top">75 (20-300)</td>
                                <td align="left" colspan="1" rowspan="1" valign="top">0.876</td>
                            </tr>
                            <tr>
                                <td align="left" colspan="1" rowspan="1" valign="top">Complications</td>
                                <td colspan="1" rowspan="1"/>
                                <td colspan="1" rowspan="1"/>
                                <td colspan="1" rowspan="1"/>
                                <td align="left" colspan="1" rowspan="1" valign="top">0.223</td>
                            </tr>
                            <tr>
                                <td align="left" colspan="1" rowspan="1" valign="top">&#x2003;None</td>
                                <td align="left" colspan="1" rowspan="1" valign="top">62 (93.9%)</td>
                                <td align="left" colspan="1" rowspan="1" valign="top">34 (85.0%)</td>
                                <td align="left" colspan="1" rowspan="1" valign="top">20 (95.2%)</td>
                                <td colspan="1" rowspan="1"/>
                            </tr>
                            <tr>
                                <td align="left" colspan="1" rowspan="1" valign="top">&#x2003;Pain</td>
                                <td align="left" colspan="1" rowspan="1" valign="top">3 (4.6%)</td>
                                <td align="left" colspan="1" rowspan="1" valign="top">4 (10.0%)</td>
                                <td align="left" colspan="1" rowspan="1" valign="top">1 (3.6%)</td>
                                <td colspan="1" rowspan="1"/>
                            </tr>
                            <tr>
                                <td align="left" colspan="1" rowspan="1" valign="top">&#x2003;Chylous ascites</td>
                                <td align="left" colspan="1" rowspan="1" valign="top">1 (1.5%)</td>
                                <td align="left" colspan="1" rowspan="1" valign="top">2 (5.0%)</td>
                                <td align="left" colspan="1" rowspan="1" valign="top">0</td>
                                <td colspan="1" rowspan="1"/>
                            </tr>
                        </tbody>
                    </table>
                    <table-wrap-foot>
                        <p>WIT = warm ischemic time, EBL = estimated blood loss.</p>
                    </table-wrap-foot>
                </table-wrap>
            </sec>
        </sec>
        <sec id="sec10" sec-type="discussion">
            <title>Discussion</title>
            <p>Minimally invasive techniques are the preferred technique for donor nephrectomy compared to open nephrectomy. Studies found that a minimally invasive approach is associated with perioperative lower blood loss, lower morbidity,
                <sup>
                    <xref ref-type="bibr" rid="ref18">19</xref>
                </sup> reduced analgesia use, shorter length of stay, and faster recovery.
                <sup>
                    <xref ref-type="bibr" rid="ref5">5</xref>
                </sup> Retroperitoneal approach or retroperitoneoscopic provides direct access to renal hilum without moving abdominal organs. Therefore, injury or bleeding of the organs could be avoided and bowel function may return rapidly following the surgery.
                <sup>
                    <xref ref-type="bibr" rid="ref10">10</xref>
                </sup>
                <sup>,</sup>
                <sup>
                    <xref ref-type="bibr" rid="ref19">20</xref>
                </sup> The crucial disadvantage of this procedure was the difficulty to orient the landmark due to the limited working space of the retroperitoneal approach in LLDN.
                <sup>
                    <xref ref-type="bibr" rid="ref20">21</xref>
                </sup> In terms of the learning curve, retroperitoneal approach is more technically demanding and has a steeper learning curve than the transperitoneal approach.
                <sup>
                    <xref ref-type="bibr" rid="ref21">22</xref>
                </sup>
                <sup>&#x2013;</sup>
                <sup>
                    <xref ref-type="bibr" rid="ref23">24</xref>
                </sup>
            </p>
            <p>Learning curves represent the relationship between learning repetition and practice performance.
                <sup>
                    <xref ref-type="bibr" rid="ref24">25</xref>
                </sup> There are several methods that can be used to analyze the learning curves other than CUSUM analysis, such as graphical visual inspection, split-group method, and regression techniques. CUSUM method is considered the sensitive method adopted by surgical practice for self-and supervisor assessment. This method uses plotted graph and gives accurate progression and level of performance, thus, it can be used to show a process of achieving and maintaining a surgical technique proficiency.
                <sup>
                    <xref ref-type="bibr" rid="ref14">14</xref>
                </sup>
            </p>
            <p>A comparison study of retroperitoneoscopic donor nephrectomy by a single surgeon between a high volume and a low volume hospital by van der Merwe 
                <italic toggle="yes">et al</italic>. describes the learning curve differences in surgery time and WIT. This study shows the improvement based on the graph decline.
                <sup>
                    <xref ref-type="bibr" rid="ref11">11</xref>
                </sup> Meanwhile, a learning curve study of retroperitoneoscopic donor nephrectomy by Pal 
                <italic toggle="yes">et al</italic>. analyzes the performance changes between three groups using the split-group method. However, this method has several biases based on its arbitrary group size option and uncertain changes.
                <sup>
                    <xref ref-type="bibr" rid="ref25">26</xref>
                </sup>
            </p>
            <p>In our CUSUM analysis study, on an individual level, an average of 16.5 procedures was needed to achieve proficiency and 28 procedures to acquire mastery in the transition from transperitoneal to retroperitoneal approach. There were some differences between the results of this study and other learning curve studies of the retroperitoneal approach of LLDN. Pal 
                <italic toggle="yes">et al</italic>.
                <sup>
                    <xref ref-type="bibr" rid="ref25">26</xref>
                </sup> found a significantly reduced surgery time after 34 pure laparoscopic retroperitoneal nephrectomies. Chin 
                <italic toggle="yes">et al</italic>.,
                <sup>
                    <xref ref-type="bibr" rid="ref15">15</xref>
                </sup> though, observed a substantial difference in surgery time after 150 cases, although this study did not use the CUSUM model analysis. The second reduction of operation time or mastery is found after 300 laparoscopic nephrectomies in a study by Nakajima 
                <italic toggle="yes">et al</italic>.
                <sup>
                    <xref ref-type="bibr" rid="ref26">27</xref>
                </sup> However, the procedures needed to achieve both proficiency and mastery in our study differed on each operator. Operator 1 who had more experience in other surgeries only needed 12 procedures before achieving proficiency, while other operators needed more procedures in accordance with their prior experiences.</p>
            <p>Based on the CUSUM analysis, it was found that 66 procedure was needed to achieve proficiency (phase 2) and 106 procedures to acquire mastery (phase 3) for team-based approach of the transition from transperitoneal to retroperitoneal LLDN. Team-based analysis shows a more gradual improvement in operation time compared an individual surgeon-based analysis. A study by van der Merwe 
                <italic toggle="yes">et al</italic>. shows that the subgroup analysis of a single surgeon shows a more graphically evident improvement in operation time than the team-based analysis.
                <sup>
                    <xref ref-type="bibr" rid="ref23">24</xref>
                </sup> However, LLDN is usually approached by several operators, as it is technically demanding and require a significant amount of time.</p>
            <p>Several variables could affect the learning curve of the retroperitoneal approach of LLDN. The technical skills of each surgeon are related to shorter surgery time and lesser complications. The advantages of the retroperitoneal approach may relate to the surgeon&#x2019;s experience as the vessel injury, or surgical complications were lower in the more experienced surgeon.
                <sup>
                    <xref ref-type="bibr" rid="ref10">10</xref>
                </sup>
                <sup>,</sup>
                <sup>
                    <xref ref-type="bibr" rid="ref18">19</xref>
                </sup> In this study, urologists that have more experience achieve proficiency in operation time in fewer procedures. A study by Zhang 
                <italic toggle="yes">et al</italic>. showed that senior surgeons had a better learning curve for laparoscopic procedures. Operation time was also significantly faster, with a lower conversion rate to open surgeries.
                <sup>
                    <xref ref-type="bibr" rid="ref27">28</xref>
                </sup> Proficiency-based guidance, part-task training, and assigning practice over time might optimize the learning curve.
                <sup>
                    <xref ref-type="bibr" rid="ref28">29</xref>
                </sup> There were other problematic factors, such as obese donors prolonged the surgery time then affected the learning curve.
                <sup>
                    <xref ref-type="bibr" rid="ref6">6</xref>
                </sup> A few millimeters of perinephric fat would significantly prolong the surgery time.
                <sup>
                    <xref ref-type="bibr" rid="ref29">30</xref>
                </sup>
            </p>
            <p>A limitation of the study is in the methodology as it is a retrospective study based on pre-existing medical records and done in a single center. Therefore, information bias may occur due to the data input, processing, and collection. Moreover, being a teaching hospital, the performance of urology residents as the operative assistant may create another bias, especially for the operative time. However, we have limited the calculated operative time to only from the first incision to renal artery clamping, as the final closure was sometimes done by the residents.</p>
        </sec>
        <sec id="sec11" sec-type="conclusions">
            <title>Conclusions</title>
            <p>Transition from transperitoneal to retroperitoneal approach in laparoscopic living donor nephrectomy has a certain learning curve time to achieve proficiency and mastery, both on the individual and team-based analysis. Prior experience and focused training may improve the learning process. The transition to retroperitoneal approach is a feasible option to improve the outcome of LLDN.</p>
        </sec>
        <sec id="sec12">
            <title>Authors&#x2019; contributions</title>
            <p>
                <bold>IW</bold> involved in conceptualization, protocol development, administration of the study, data collection, funding, manuscript writing, and manuscript finalization.</p>
            <p>
                <bold>IAA</bold> involved in conceptualization, protocol development, administration of the study, data collection, and manuscript finalization.</p>
            <p>
                <bold>KY</bold> involved in conceptualization, protocol development, administration of the study, data collection, and manuscript finalization.</p>
            <p>
                <bold>FW</bold> involved in protocol development, study conceptualization, patient recruitment, and manuscript editing and finalization.</p>
            <p>
                <bold>ARAH</bold> contributed in protocol development, study conceptualization, patient recruitment, and manuscript editing and finalization.</p>
            <p>
                <bold>CAM</bold> contributed in protocol development, study conceptualization, patient recruitment, and manuscript editing and finalization.</p>
            <p>
                <bold>All authors</bold> read and approved the final manuscript.</p>
        </sec>
        <sec id="sec13">
            <title>Ethics approval and consent to participate</title>
            <p>Ethical Approval to conduct this study was issued by the ethics committee of the Faculty of Medicine Universitas Indonesia&#x2013;Cipto Mangunkusumo Hospital (KET-720/UN2.F1/ETIK/2018). Written informed consent was obtained from the patient for the surgery performed in this study. Written informed consent was obtained from a guardian for participants under 18 years old. Written permission was granted by the ethics committee of the Faculty of Medicine Universitas Indonesia&#x2013;Cipto Mangunkusumo Hospital for the publication of the study results.</p>
        </sec>
    </body>
    <back>
        <sec id="sec16" sec-type="data-availability">
            <title>Data availability</title>
            <sec id="sec17">
                <title>Underlying data</title>
                <p>The data used in this study were provided from pre-existing medical records of kidney donor patients in Cipto Mangunkusumo National Hospital, Indonesia. The authors obtained the data by submitting the ethical clearance to the research ethics of Faculty of Medicine, University of Indonesia, and requesting the written research permit for the data to the Innovation and Intellectual Property Management Installation of Cipto Mangunkusumo National Hospital, Indonesia.</p>
                <p>The access to the same data will be provided following the formal ethical clearance request to the research ethics of Faculty of Medicine, University of Indonesia, and formal research permit request to the the Innovation and Intellectual Property Management Installation of Cipto Mangunkusumo National Hospital, Indonesia.</p>
            </sec>
            <sec id="sec18">
                <title>Extended data</title>
                <p>Drayad: Transition from transperitoneal to retroperitoneal approach in laparoscopic living donor nephrectomy: Team-based and individual learning curve: A cross-sectional study 
                    <ext-link ext-link-type="uri" xlink:href="https://doi.org/10.5061/dryad.3tx95x6kq">https://doi.org/10.5061/dryad.3tx95x6kq</ext-link>.
                    <sup>

                        <xref ref-type="bibr" rid="ref30">31</xref>
</sup>
                </p>
                <p>This project contains the following extended data:
                    <list list-type="bullet">
                        <list-item>
                            <label>-</label>
                            <p>Dataset.sav (SPSS file containing all aggregated data in this study).
</p>
                        </list-item>
                    </list>
                </p>
                <p>Data are available under the terms of the 
                    <ext-link ext-link-type="uri" xlink:href="http://creativecommons.org/publicdomain/zero/1.0/">Creative Commons Zero &#x201c;No rights reserved&#x201d; data waiver</ext-link> (CC0 1.0 Public domain dedication).</p>
            </sec>
        </sec>
        <ack>
            <title>Acknowledgments</title>
            <p>The authors would like to express the greatest gratitude for all the medical staffs and patients of Urology Department, Cipto Mangunkusumo National General Hospital, Indonesia who were willing to support the study.</p>
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    <sub-article article-type="reviewer-report" id="report196411">
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            <article-id pub-id-type="doi">10.5256/f1000research.142165.r196411</article-id>
            <title-group>
                <article-title>Reviewer response for version 1</article-title>
            </title-group>
            <contrib-group>
                <contrib contrib-type="author">
                    <name>
                        <surname>Garcia-Covarrubias</surname>
                        <given-names>Luis</given-names>
                    </name>
                    <xref ref-type="aff" rid="r196411a1">1</xref>
                    <role>Referee</role>
                    <uri content-type="orcid">https://orcid.org/0000-0003-3687-5397</uri>
                </contrib>
                <aff id="r196411a1">
                    <label>1</label>Surgery, Hospital de Especialidades Centro Medico Nacional Siglo XXI, Mexico City, Mexico City, Mexico</aff>
            </contrib-group>
            <author-notes>
                <fn fn-type="conflict">
                    <p>
                        <bold>Competing interests: </bold>No competing interests were disclosed.</p>
                </fn>
            </author-notes>
            <pub-date pub-type="epub">
                <day>12</day>
                <month>10</month>
                <year>2023</year>
            </pub-date>
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                <copyright-statement>Copyright: &#x00a9; 2023 Garcia-Covarrubias L</copyright-statement>
                <copyright-year>2023</copyright-year>
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            <p>1. Of the references, only 30% are 5 years old or less, recommending that at least 50% of the references be updated.</p>
            <p> </p>
            <p> 2. With respect to the design and in order to allow its reproducibility, I suggest being explicit in the definitions, as well as in the inclusion and exclusion criteria and performing a sample size calculation based on Cohen's D obtained from previous studies.</p>
            <p> </p>
            <p> I would suggest including the Clavien scale to compare complications or other variables, not just time such as hemorrhage, ischemia time, and whether or not the graft suffered any damage, for example.</p>
            <p> </p>
            <p> 3. Mention the limitations of the study before reaching the conclusions, as it is a retrospective study and is limited by the indication for nephrectomy (right or left) and the assignment of surgeons to the cases, which is not commented on.</p>
            <p> </p>
            <p> Furthermore, regardless of whether it was transperitoneal or retroperitoneal, the surgeons had extensive experience in laparoscopic surgery.</p>
            <p>Is the work clearly and accurately presented and does it cite the current literature?</p>
            <p>Partly</p>
            <p>If applicable, is the statistical analysis and its interpretation appropriate?</p>
            <p>Partly</p>
            <p>Are all the source data underlying the results available to ensure full reproducibility?</p>
            <p>Yes</p>
            <p>Is the study design appropriate and is the work technically sound?</p>
            <p>Partly</p>
            <p>Are the conclusions drawn adequately supported by the results?</p>
            <p>Partly</p>
            <p>Are sufficient details of methods and analysis provided to allow replication by others?</p>
            <p>No</p>
            <p>Reviewer Expertise:</p>
            <p>Methodology , surgical techniques</p>
            <p>I confirm that I have read this submission and believe that I have an appropriate level of expertise to confirm that it is of an acceptable scientific standard, however I have significant reservations, as outlined above.</p>
        </body>
        <sub-article article-type="response" id="comment14729-196411">
            <front-stub>
                <contrib-group>
                    <contrib contrib-type="author">
                        <name>
                            <surname>Yonathan</surname>
                            <given-names>Kevin</given-names>
                        </name>
                        <aff>University of Indonesia, Indonesia</aff>
                    </contrib>
                </contrib-group>
                <author-notes>
                    <fn fn-type="conflict">
                        <p>
                            <bold>Competing interests: </bold>No competing interests were disclosed.</p>
                    </fn>
                </author-notes>
                <pub-date pub-type="epub">
                    <day>6</day>
                    <month>10</month>
                    <year>2025</year>
                </pub-date>
            </front-stub>
            <body>
                <p>1. Of the references, only 30% are 5 years old or less, recommending that at least 50% of the references be updated.</p>
                <p> </p>
                <p> </p>
                <p> 
                    <bold>Thank you for the review, we have added some references to the manuscript</bold>
                </p>
                <p> </p>
                <p> 2. With respect to the design and in order to allow its reproducibility, I suggest being explicit in the definitions, as well as in the inclusion and exclusion criteria and performing a sample size calculation based on Cohen's D obtained from previous studies.</p>
                <p> </p>
                <p> </p>
                <p> 
                    <bold>This study used total sampling method in order to include the study subjects. Added in the manuscript for clarity</bold>
                </p>
                <p> </p>
                <p> I would suggest including the Clavien scale to compare complications or other variables, not just time such as hemorrhage, ischemia time, and whether or not the graft suffered any damage, for example.</p>
                <p> </p>
                <p> 
                    <bold>We thank you for the addition. Added to the manuscript</bold>
                </p>
                <p> </p>
                <p> 3. Mention the limitations of the study before reaching the conclusions, as it is a retrospective study and is limited by the indication for nephrectomy (right or left) and the assignment of surgeons to the cases, which is not commented on. Furthermore, regardless of whether it was transperitoneal or retroperitoneal, the surgeons had extensive experience in laparoscopic surgery.</p>
                <p> </p>
                <p> 
                    <bold>Added to the manuscript</bold>
                </p>
            </body>
        </sub-article>
    </sub-article>
    <sub-article article-type="reviewer-report" id="report178114">
        <front-stub>
            <article-id pub-id-type="doi">10.5256/f1000research.142165.r178114</article-id>
            <title-group>
                <article-title>Reviewer response for version 1</article-title>
            </title-group>
            <contrib-group>
                <contrib contrib-type="author">
                    <name>
                        <surname>Bolat</surname>
                        <given-names>Mustafa Suat</given-names>
                    </name>
                    <xref ref-type="aff" rid="r178114a1">1</xref>
                    <role>Referee</role>
                    <uri content-type="orcid">https://orcid.org/0000-0002-4650-2271</uri>
                </contrib>
                <aff id="r178114a1">
                    <label>1</label>Department of Urology, Atilim University, Ankara, Ankara, Turkey</aff>
            </contrib-group>
            <author-notes>
                <fn fn-type="conflict">
                    <p>
                        <bold>Competing interests: </bold>No competing interests were disclosed.</p>
                </fn>
            </author-notes>
            <pub-date pub-type="epub">
                <day>29</day>
                <month>6</month>
                <year>2023</year>
            </pub-date>
            <permissions>
                <copyright-statement>Copyright: &#x00a9; 2023 Bolat MS</copyright-statement>
                <copyright-year>2023</copyright-year>
                <license xlink:href="https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/4.0/">
                    <license-p>This is an open access peer review report distributed under the terms of the Creative Commons Attribution Licence, which permits unrestricted use, distribution, and reproduction in any medium, provided the original work is properly cited.</license-p>
                </license>
            </permissions>
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            <p>
                <bold>Abstract</bold>
            </p>
            <p> 
                <italic>Background</italic> 
                <list list-type="order">
                    <list-item>
                        <p>The authors state that the transition process from transperitoneal to retroperitoneal LLDN is important to ensure the best outcome for the patients. I wonder if there is a transition process in real. According to their experience and educational program, surgeons use their individual techniques. Therefore they only can state that they decided to convert their technique to Retro. Otherwise, it could be misunderstood that nephrectomy should primarily be managed by transperitoneal and it might be converted to retro.</p>
                    </list-item>
                </list> 
                <italic>Methods</italic> 
                <list list-type="order">
                    <list-item>
                        <p>How did the authors identify Phase 1, 2 and 3?</p>
                    </list-item>
                </list> 
                <bold>Introduction</bold> 
                <list list-type="order">
                    <list-item>
                        <p>Second paragraph: Preferentially, l advise the authors to cite paper
                            <sup>
                                <xref ref-type="bibr" rid="rep-ref-178114-1">1</xref>
                            </sup>.&#x00a0;This citation is about to gain experience of laparoscopy. Thus it may improve quality of the manuscript.&#x00a0;If authors read it, they will find data supporting their hypothesis.</p>
                    </list-item>
                    <list-item>
                        <p>Sixth Paragraph: What were the time period for three centers? Were the authors observer or fellow?</p>
                    </list-item>
                </list> 
                <bold>Discussion</bold> 
                <list list-type="order">
                    <list-item>
                        <p>In second paragraph, CUSUM analysis should be given in detail. The authors should remember that many readers might not know about CUSUM analysis.</p>
                    </list-item>
                    <list-item>
                        <p>Fifth paragraph - What is the reason for higher procedure experience need for team-based surgery compared to individual one? Please support it in the light of literature.</p>
                    </list-item>
                    <list-item>
                        <p>Last paragraph - I supposed this paper should be a prospective one?</p>
                    </list-item>
                </list>
            </p>
            <p>Is the work clearly and accurately presented and does it cite the current literature?</p>
            <p>Yes</p>
            <p>If applicable, is the statistical analysis and its interpretation appropriate?</p>
            <p>I cannot comment. A qualified statistician is required.</p>
            <p>Are all the source data underlying the results available to ensure full reproducibility?</p>
            <p>Yes</p>
            <p>Is the study design appropriate and is the work technically sound?</p>
            <p>Yes</p>
            <p>Are the conclusions drawn adequately supported by the results?</p>
            <p>Yes</p>
            <p>Are sufficient details of methods and analysis provided to allow replication by others?</p>
            <p>Yes</p>
            <p>Reviewer Expertise:</p>
            <p>Urology, andrology</p>
            <p>I confirm that I have read this submission and believe that I have an appropriate level of expertise to confirm that it is of an acceptable scientific standard, however I have significant reservations, as outlined above.</p>
        </body>
        <back>
            <ref-list>
                <title>References</title>
                <ref id="rep-ref-178114-1">
                    <label>1</label>
                    <mixed-citation publication-type="journal">
                        <person-group person-group-type="author"/>:
                        <article-title>Evaluation of the complications in laparoscopic retroperitoneal radical nephrectomy; An experience of high volume centre.</article-title>
                        <source>
                            <italic>Arch Ital Urol Androl</italic>
                        </source>.<year>2017</year>;<volume>89</volume>(<issue>4</issue>) :
                        <elocation-id>10.4081/aiua.2017.4.266</elocation-id>
                        <fpage>266</fpage>-<lpage>271</lpage>
                        <pub-id pub-id-type="pmid">29473375</pub-id>
                        <pub-id pub-id-type="doi">10.4081/aiua.2017.4.266</pub-id>
                    </mixed-citation>
                </ref>
            </ref-list>
        </back>
        <sub-article article-type="response" id="comment14728-178114">
            <front-stub>
                <contrib-group>
                    <contrib contrib-type="author">
                        <name>
                            <surname>Yonathan</surname>
                            <given-names>Kevin</given-names>
                        </name>
                        <aff>University of Indonesia, Indonesia</aff>
                    </contrib>
                </contrib-group>
                <author-notes>
                    <fn fn-type="conflict">
                        <p>
                            <bold>Competing interests: </bold>No competing interests were disclosed.</p>
                    </fn>
                </author-notes>
                <pub-date pub-type="epub">
                    <day>6</day>
                    <month>10</month>
                    <year>2025</year>
                </pub-date>
            </front-stub>
            <body>
                <p>
                    <bold>Abstract</bold>
                </p>
                <p> 
                    <italic>Background</italic> 
                    <list list-type="order">
                        <list-item>
                            <p>The authors state that the transition process from transperitoneal to retroperitoneal LLDN is important to ensure the best outcome for the patients. I wonder if there is a transition process in real. According to their experience and educational program, surgeons use their individual techniques. Therefore they only can state that they decided to convert their technique to Retro. Otherwise, it could be misunderstood that nephrectomy should primarily be managed by transperitoneal and it might be converted to retro.</p>
                        </list-item>
                    </list> </p>
                <p> Response : It is true that usually the surgeons will initially use transperitoneal approach for laparoscopic procedure due to its familiarity and natural orientation, then use retroperitoneal approach afterward. The statement will be added for clarity</p>
                <p> </p>
                <p> 
                    <italic>Methods</italic> 
                    <list list-type="order">
                        <list-item>
                            <p>How did the authors identify Phase 1, 2 and 3?</p>
                        </list-item>
                    </list> </p>
                <p> Response: The three phases of the study are explained in the methodology section using the CUSUM analysis, as stated &#x201c;The three phases of the learning curve were identified by the inflection point of the CUSUM curve. Phase 1 (learning period) showed an expected incline in CUSUM curve which was the initial learning curve, phase 2 (proficiency) showed a decline in CUSUM curve, with a plateau which was the proficient phase with additional experience obtained leading to the achievement of expert competence. Phase 3 was defined as the post-learning (mastery) period, as seen in typical learning curve studies in which there was steeper decline of the CUSUM curve.&#x201d;</p>
                <p> </p>
                <p> 
                    <bold>Introduction</bold> 
                    <list list-type="order">
                        <list-item>
                            <p>Second paragraph: Preferentially, l advise the authors to cite paper
                                <ext-link ext-link-type="uri" xlink:href="https://f1000research.com/articles/12-464/v1#rep-ref-178114-1">
                                    <sup>1</sup>
                                </ext-link>.&#x00a0;This citation is about to gain experience of laparoscopy. Thus it may improve quality of the manuscript.&#x00a0;If authors read it, they will find data supporting their hypothesis.</p>
                        </list-item>
                    </list> Response: Added to the manuscript</p>
                <p> &#x00a0; 
                    <list list-type="order">
                        <list-item>
                            <p>Sixth Paragraph: What were the time period for three centers? Were the authors observer or fellow?</p>
                        </list-item>
                    </list> </p>
                <p> Response: The authors were fellow for 1-2 years on the centers. Added to the manuscript</p>
                <p> </p>
                <p> 
                    <bold>Discussion</bold> 
                    <list list-type="order">
                        <list-item>
                            <p>In second paragraph, CUSUM analysis should be given in detail. The authors should remember that many readers might not know about CUSUM analysis.</p>
                        </list-item>
                    </list> Response: The analysis is already explained in the methods section (paragraph 2)</p>
                <p> &#x00a0; 
                    <list list-type="order">
                        <list-item>
                            <p>Fifth paragraph - What is the reason for higher procedure experience need for team-based surgery compared to individual one? Please support it in the light of literature.</p>
                        </list-item>
                    </list> Response: It is due to the alternating operators on the surgery, thus reducing the exposure of the case compared to surgery performed by a single operator</p>
                <p> &#x00a0; 
                    <list list-type="order">
                        <list-item>
                            <p>Last paragraph - I supposed this paper should be a prospective one?</p>
                        </list-item>
                    </list> </p>
                <p> Response: We concur with the comment. Revised accordingly</p>
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        </sub-article>
    </sub-article>
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