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            <journal-id journal-id-type="pmc">F1000Research</journal-id>
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            <issn pub-type="epub">2046-1402</issn>
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                <publisher-name>F1000 Research Limited</publisher-name>
                <publisher-loc>London, UK</publisher-loc>
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            <article-id pub-id-type="doi">10.12688/f1000research.128769.1</article-id>
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                    <subject>Research Article</subject>
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                <article-title>Standard versus mini amplatz size in patients undergoing pediatric percutaneous nephrolithotomy through 16 years of experience: A retrospective study in single-center experience</article-title>
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                    <fn>
                        <p>[version 1; peer review: 1 approved with reservations, 1 not approved]</p>
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                <contrib contrib-type="author" corresp="no">
                    <name>
                        <surname>Rasyid</surname>
                        <given-names>Nur</given-names>
                    </name>
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                    <role content-type="http://credit.niso.org/">Writing &#x2013; Original Draft Preparation</role>
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                    <uri content-type="orcid">https://orcid.org/0000-0003-4473-755X</uri>
                    <xref ref-type="aff" rid="a1">1</xref>
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                <contrib contrib-type="author" corresp="no">
                    <name>
                        <surname>Fadhly</surname>
                        <given-names>Syifa Fauziah</given-names>
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                    <xref ref-type="aff" rid="a1">1</xref>
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                <contrib contrib-type="author" corresp="no">
                    <name>
                        <surname>Atmoko</surname>
                        <given-names>Widi</given-names>
                    </name>
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                    <uri content-type="orcid">https://orcid.org/0000-0002-7793-7083</uri>
                    <xref ref-type="aff" rid="a1">1</xref>
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                <contrib contrib-type="author" corresp="yes">
                    <name>
                        <surname>Birowo</surname>
                        <given-names>Ponco</given-names>
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                    <uri content-type="orcid">https://orcid.org/0000-0003-2934-6753</uri>
                    <xref ref-type="corresp" rid="c1">a</xref>
                    <xref ref-type="aff" rid="a1">1</xref>
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                <aff id="a1">
                    <label>1</label>Department of Urology, Cipto Mangunkusumo National Referral Hospital, Faculty of Medicine, University of Indonesia, Jakarta Pusat, Jakarta, 10430, Indonesia</aff>
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            <author-notes>
                <corresp id="c1">
                    <label>a</label>
                    <email xlink:href="mailto:ponco.birowo61@ui.ac.id">ponco.birowo61@ui.ac.id</email>
                </corresp>
                <fn fn-type="conflict">
                    <p>No competing interests were disclosed.</p>
                </fn>
            </author-notes>
            <pub-date pub-type="epub">
                <day>12</day>
                <month>1</month>
                <year>2024</year>
            </pub-date>
            <pub-date pub-type="collection">
                <year>2024</year>
            </pub-date>
            <volume>13</volume>
            <elocation-id>60</elocation-id>
            <history>
                <date date-type="accepted">
                    <day>14</day>
                    <month>4</month>
                    <year>2023</year>
                </date>
            </history>
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                <copyright-statement>Copyright: &#x00a9; 2024 Rasyid N et al.</copyright-statement>
                <copyright-year>2024</copyright-year>
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                    <license-p>This is an open access article distributed under the terms of the Creative Commons Attribution Licence, which permits unrestricted use, distribution, and reproduction in any medium, provided the original work is properly cited.</license-p>
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            <abstract>
                <p>
                    <bold>Background</bold>: Pediatric urolithiasis is associated with considerable morbidity and a very high recurrence rate of approximately 67%. Current guideline recommendations for standard pediatric percutaneous nephrolithotomy (PCNL) remain a problem due to several complications, such as hemorrhage or renal damage, especially in the pediatric population. However, mini-PCNL is regarded as a safer and more effective method for pediatric patients. This study compares PCNL with mini-PCNL, along with their efficacy and safety, in the Cipto Mangunkusumo General Hospital, Indonesia.</p>
                <p>
                    <bold>Methods</bold>: This observational retrospective study was performed on pediatric patients aged &lt; 18 years (pediatric patients) who underwent PCNL with a standard 22-30 Fr sheath or mini 15-21 Fr sheath. We reviewed postoperative outcomes, including stone-free rate (SFR), presence of complications, and postoperative drainage method. Data analysis was performed using SPSS version 26.0.</p>
                <p>
                    <bold>Results</bold>: Our study included a total of 42 pediatric patients (mean age: standard, 4.61 &#x00b1; 3.52 years; mini, 8.0 &#x00b1; 3.57 years; p&lt;0.05). The stone-free rate was significantly higher in the mini-PCNL group (87.9%) than in the standard PCNL group (59.1%, p &lt;0.05). All patients treated with mini-PCNL were tubeless, while some patients in the standard group still needed a postoperative drainage tube (p=0.012). Complications, such as infundibulum laceration, were rare, and their differences between groups insignificant (p=1). Even though it has been demonstrated that standard sheath PCNL is considered effective for children, smaller PCNL sheaths offers more experience. Mini-PCNL provides a similar complication rate, while remaining effective in treating urolithiasis; thus, it is thought to be a non-inferior option for treating pediatric populations, especially younger and smaller children.</p>
                <p>
                    <bold>Conclusions</bold>: Mini-PCNL is non-inferior to standard PCNL in terms of efficacy and safety for the treatment of pediatric urolithiasis. Mini-PCNL resulted in higher SFR and totally tubeless follow-up.</p>
            </abstract>
            <kwd-group kwd-group-type="author">
                <kwd>Mini-PCNL</kwd>
                <kwd>standard PCNL</kwd>
                <kwd>pediatric urolithiasis</kwd>
                <kwd>efficacy</kwd>
                <kwd>safety</kwd>
            </kwd-group>
            <funding-group>
                <award-group id="fund-1" xlink:href="http://dx.doi.org/10.13039/501100006378">
                    <funding-source>Universitas Indonesia</funding-source>
                    <award-id>NKB-191/UN2.RST/HKP.05.00/2022</award-id>
                </award-group>
                <funding-statement>The author and co-authors received an educational grant from Universitas Indonesia via PUTI Pascajarana 2022 Grant No. NKB-191/UN2.RST/HKP.05.00/2022 for the research, authorship, and publication of this article.</funding-statement>
                <funding-statement>
                    <italic>The funders had no role in study design, data collection and analysis, decision to publish, or preparation of the manuscript.</italic>
                </funding-statement>
            </funding-group>
        </article-meta>
    </front>
    <body>
        <sec id="sec1" sec-type="intro">
            <title>Introduction</title>
            <p>An increasing amount of evidence has shown an increasing incidence of pediatric urolithiasis, with a reported incidence of approximately 50 cases in 100,000 children.
                <sup>
                    <xref ref-type="bibr" rid="ref1">1</xref>
                </sup>
                <sup>,</sup>
                <sup>
                    <xref ref-type="bibr" rid="ref2">2</xref>
                </sup> Although a mere 2%&#x2013;3% of the pediatric population will develop urinary calculus, pediatric urolithiasis is associated with a considerable morbidity and a high recurrence rate (approximately 67%)
                <sup>
                    <xref ref-type="bibr" rid="ref3">3</xref>
                </sup>
                <sup>,</sup>
                <sup>
                    <xref ref-type="bibr" rid="ref4">4</xref>
                </sup>; thus, it is important for this population to receive appropriate treatment to keep them stone-free.</p>
            <p>Guidelines by the European Association of Urology have recommended pediatric percutaneous nephrolithotomy (PCNL) as the primary procedure for stones larger than 20 mm and stones larger than 10 mm located at the lower renal pole.
                <sup>
                    <xref ref-type="bibr" rid="ref5">5</xref>
                </sup> Despite achieving a high stone-free rate (SFR), ranging from 50%&#x2013;98.5%,
                <sup>
                    <xref ref-type="bibr" rid="ref5">5</xref>
                </sup>
                <sup>&#x2013;</sup>
                <sup>
                    <xref ref-type="bibr" rid="ref9">9</xref>
                </sup> PCNL using a standard sheath of 24-30 Fr for renal access is associated with severe complications, including hemorrhage, blood transfusion, sepsis, damage to renal parenchyma, and a postoperative need for analgesia due to pain.
                <sup>
                    <xref ref-type="bibr" rid="ref10">10</xref>
                </sup>
                <sup>,</sup>
                <sup>
                    <xref ref-type="bibr" rid="ref11">11</xref>
                </sup>
            </p>
            <p>PCNL in pediatric patients is always a challenge for urologists because of the smaller anatomical structures and fragility of patients compared to adult patients. Various strategies to decrease morbidity post-PCNL have been described, focusing on reducing the tract size to minimize the risk of kidney parenchymal injury, which provides fewer morbidities without changing the therapeutic efficacy.
                <sup>
                    <xref ref-type="bibr" rid="ref12">12</xref>
                </sup>
                <sup>,</sup>
                <sup>
                    <xref ref-type="bibr" rid="ref13">13</xref>
                </sup> Recently, mini-PCNL, which uses a smaller sheath size of 14-22 Fr has been regarded as a safer and more effective treatment option for pediatric nephrolithiasis, with studies reporting a promising SFR, as well as reduced bleeding and decreased hospital stay, compared to standard PCNL.
                <sup>
                    <xref ref-type="bibr" rid="ref6">6</xref>
                </sup>
                <sup>,</sup>
                <sup>
                    <xref ref-type="bibr" rid="ref12">12</xref>
                </sup>
                <sup>,</sup>
                <sup>
                    <xref ref-type="bibr" rid="ref14">14</xref>
                </sup>
                <sup>&#x2013;</sup>
                <sup>
                    <xref ref-type="bibr" rid="ref16">16</xref>
                </sup>
            </p>
            <p>In Indonesia, pediatric PCNL began in 2005 using the protocol and instruments of standard PCNL. Even though mini-PCNL has been around since 1997, when it was first described by Helal 
                <italic toggle="yes">et al.</italic>,
                <sup>
                    <xref ref-type="bibr" rid="ref17">17</xref>
                </sup> the equipment was only introduced to our institution, the Cipto Mangunkusumo General Hospital, Indonesia, in 2014. Thus, this study aimed to describe the experience and development of pediatric PCNL in a tertiary referral hospital in Indonesia, comparing the effects of the use of different sizes of instruments (standard PCNL vs. mini PCNL) on the outcomes of SFR, presence of complications, and postoperative use of drainage tubes.</p>
        </sec>
        <sec id="sec2" sec-type="methods">
            <title>Methods</title>
            <sec id="sec3">
                <title>Ethical considerations</title>
                <p>The study design was approved by the Health Research Ethics Commitee - Faculty of Medicine Universitas Indonesia and Cipto Mangunkusumo Hospital (HREC-FMUI/CMH) on April, 18
                    <sup>th</sup> 2022 which waived the requirement for obtaining informed consent with the ethical No. KET-371/UN2.F1/ETIK/PPM.00.02/2022.</p>
            </sec>
            <sec id="sec4">
                <title>Data collection</title>
                <p>This observational retrospective study was conducted at a single tertiary referral hospital in Indonesia. The records from 2010 to 2021 were obtained in one instance prior to conducting the research in 2022. The inclusion criteria for this study were patients aged &lt;18 years (pediatric patients) who underwent PCNL with either the standard 22-30 Fr sheath or mini 15-21 Fr sheath. Our exclusion criteria for this study were incomplete general characteristics of the patients, intraoperative and postoperative data of the patient. We collected general characteristics of the patients such as sex, body mass index (BMI), stone&#x2019;s side, number of PCNLs sessions, stone number, and stone burden. Collected intraoperative data were the patient&#x2019;s position during PCNL, calyceal puncture, and length of operation. Collected postoperative data were stone clearance, postoperative drainage tube, and complications. The general characteristics of the patients, intraoperative and postoperative data were all collected from medical records by two of our researchers. The collected data were then reviewed by one of our researchers. We excluded data if there were missing data due to our exclusion criteria. Basic PCNL techniques were applied to both instruments. Total sampling was used for the recruitment for subjects in this study. We also implement the STROBE Statement in our study.</p>
            </sec>
            <sec id="sec5">
                <title>Data analysis</title>
                <p>Data entry was performed using Microsoft Excel 2022 version 16.69.1, while data analysis and validation were performed using SPSS Statistics for Windows version 26.0 (IBM, USA). The normality of continuous variables was confirmed using the Shapiro&#x2013;Wilk test. Mean and standard deviation were used to describe normally distributed continuous variables, while median and range values were used to express non-normally distributed variables. Categorical variables are presented as counts and percentages. An independent t-test was used to compare the means between normally distributed continuous variables, while the Mann&#x2013;Whitney U test was used to compare non-normal variables. The statistical analyses of categorical variables were performed using the chi-squared test or Fisher&#x2019;s exact test, depending on the number of observations. Statistical significance was set to p &lt; 0.05.</p>
            </sec>
        </sec>
        <sec id="sec6" sec-type="results">
            <title>Results</title>
            <p>A total of 42 patients under the age of 18 years underwent PCNL, 27 of which underwent mini-PCNL, while the other 15 underwent standard PCNL. The general characteristics of both groups are shown in 
                <xref ref-type="table" rid="T1">Table 1</xref>. Comparing the two common characteristics, there were no significant differences between the two groups in terms of patients&#x2019; sex, as most patients were male in both groups, number of PCNL sessions, BMI, stone burden, and stone number. Meanwhile, there was a significant difference between both groups in age (p &lt; 0.05); the mean age in the mini-PCNL group was 4.61 &#x00b1; 3.52 years, while that in the standard PCNL group was 8.0 &#x00b1; 3.57 years. Moreover, most patients underwent only one PCNL session in both groups.</p>
            <table-wrap id="T1" orientation="portrait" position="float">
                <label>Table 1. </label>
                <caption>
                    <title>General characteristics of patients in both groups.</title>
                </caption>
                <table content-type="article-table" frame="hsides">
                    <thead>
                        <tr>
                            <th align="left" colspan="1" rowspan="1" valign="top">Variable</th>
                            <th align="left" colspan="1" rowspan="1" valign="top">Mini-PCNL (n = 27)</th>
                            <th align="left" colspan="1" rowspan="1" valign="top">Standard PCNL (n = 15)</th>
                            <th align="left" colspan="1" rowspan="1" valign="top">P</th>
                        </tr>
                    </thead>
                    <tbody>
                        <tr>
                            <td align="left" colspan="1" rowspan="1" valign="middle">Age (mean &#x00b1; SD), years</td>
                            <td align="left" colspan="1" rowspan="1" valign="middle">4.61 &#x00b1; 3.52</td>
                            <td align="left" colspan="1" rowspan="1" valign="middle">8.0 &#x00b1; 3.57</td>
                            <td align="left" colspan="1" rowspan="1" valign="middle">0.003
                                <xref ref-type="table-fn" rid="tfn1">*</xref>
                            </td>
                        </tr>
                        <tr>
                            <td align="left" colspan="1" rowspan="1" valign="top">Sex</td>
                            <td colspan="1" rowspan="1"/>
                            <td colspan="1" rowspan="1"/>
                            <td align="left" colspan="1" rowspan="3" valign="middle">1</td>
                        </tr>
                        <tr>
                            <td align="left" colspan="1" rowspan="1" valign="top">&#x2003;Male</td>
                            <td align="left" colspan="1" rowspan="1" valign="middle">19 (70.4)</td>
                            <td align="left" colspan="1" rowspan="1" valign="middle">10 (66.7)</td>
                        </tr>
                        <tr>
                            <td align="left" colspan="1" rowspan="1" valign="top">&#x2003;Female</td>
                            <td align="left" colspan="1" rowspan="1" valign="middle">8 (29.6)</td>
                            <td align="left" colspan="1" rowspan="1" valign="middle">5 (33.3)</td>
                        </tr>
                        <tr>
                            <td align="left" colspan="1" rowspan="1" valign="middle">BMI (mean &#x00b1; SD)</td>
                            <td align="left" colspan="1" rowspan="1" valign="middle">17.0 &#x00b1; 4.2</td>
                            <td align="left" colspan="1" rowspan="1" valign="middle">17.6 &#x00b1; 4.8</td>
                            <td align="left" colspan="1" rowspan="1" valign="middle">0.666</td>
                        </tr>
                        <tr>
                            <td align="left" colspan="1" rowspan="1" valign="top">Side, 
                                <italic toggle="yes">n</italic> (%)</td>
                            <td colspan="1" rowspan="1"/>
                            <td colspan="1" rowspan="1"/>
                            <td align="left" colspan="1" rowspan="4" valign="middle">0.217</td>
                        </tr>
                        <tr>
                            <td align="left" colspan="1" rowspan="1" valign="top">&#x2003;Right</td>
                            <td align="left" colspan="1" rowspan="1" valign="middle">12 (44.4)</td>
                            <td align="left" colspan="1" rowspan="1" valign="middle">8 (53.3)</td>
                        </tr>
                        <tr>
                            <td align="left" colspan="1" rowspan="1" valign="top">&#x2003;Left</td>
                            <td align="left" colspan="1" rowspan="1" valign="middle">12 (44.4)</td>
                            <td align="left" colspan="1" rowspan="1" valign="middle">3 (20)</td>
                        </tr>
                        <tr>
                            <td align="left" colspan="1" rowspan="1" valign="top">&#x2003;Bilateral</td>
                            <td align="left" colspan="1" rowspan="1" valign="middle">3 (11.1)</td>
                            <td align="left" colspan="1" rowspan="1" valign="middle">4 (26.7)</td>
                        </tr>
                        <tr>
                            <td align="left" colspan="1" rowspan="1" valign="top">Number of PCNL sessions, 
                                <italic toggle="yes">n</italic> (%)</td>
                            <td colspan="1" rowspan="1"/>
                            <td colspan="1" rowspan="1"/>
                            <td align="left" colspan="1" rowspan="3" valign="middle">0.078</td>
                        </tr>
                        <tr>
                            <td align="left" colspan="1" rowspan="1" valign="top">&#x2003;1</td>
                            <td align="left" colspan="1" rowspan="1" valign="middle">22 (81.5)</td>
                            <td align="left" colspan="1" rowspan="1" valign="middle">8 (53.3)</td>
                        </tr>
                        <tr>
                            <td align="left" colspan="1" rowspan="1" valign="top">&#x2003;&#x2265;2</td>
                            <td align="left" colspan="1" rowspan="1" valign="middle">5 (18.5)</td>
                            <td align="left" colspan="1" rowspan="1" valign="middle">7 (46.7)</td>
                        </tr>
                        <tr>
                            <td align="left" colspan="1" rowspan="1" valign="top">Stone number, 
                                <italic toggle="yes">n</italic> (%)</td>
                            <td colspan="1" rowspan="1"/>
                            <td colspan="1" rowspan="1"/>
                            <td align="left" colspan="1" rowspan="3" valign="middle">0.461</td>
                        </tr>
                        <tr>
                            <td align="left" colspan="1" rowspan="1" valign="top">&#x2003;One</td>
                            <td align="left" colspan="1" rowspan="1" valign="middle">13 (48.1)</td>
                            <td align="left" colspan="1" rowspan="1" valign="middle">9 (60)</td>
                        </tr>
                        <tr>
                            <td align="left" colspan="1" rowspan="1" valign="top">&#x2003;Multiple</td>
                            <td align="left" colspan="1" rowspan="1" valign="middle">14 (51.9)</td>
                            <td align="left" colspan="1" rowspan="1" valign="middle">6 (40)</td>
                        </tr>
                        <tr>
                            <td align="left" colspan="1" rowspan="1" valign="top">Stone burden, 
                                <italic toggle="yes">n</italic> (%)</td>
                            <td colspan="1" rowspan="1"/>
                            <td colspan="1" rowspan="1"/>
                            <td align="left" colspan="1" rowspan="3" valign="middle">0.432</td>
                        </tr>
                        <tr>
                            <td align="left" colspan="1" rowspan="1" valign="top">&#x2003;&lt;20 mm</td>
                            <td align="left" colspan="1" rowspan="1" valign="middle">16 (59.2)</td>
                            <td align="left" colspan="1" rowspan="1" valign="middle">7 (46.7)</td>
                        </tr>
                        <tr>
                            <td align="left" colspan="1" rowspan="1" valign="top">&#x2003;&#x2265;20 mm</td>
                            <td align="left" colspan="1" rowspan="1" valign="middle">11 (40.8)</td>
                            <td align="left" colspan="1" rowspan="1" valign="middle">8 (53.3)</td>
                        </tr>
                    </tbody>
                </table>
                <table-wrap-foot>
                    <p>n, number of patients; PCNL, pediatric percutaneous nephrolithotomy; SD, standard deviation.</p>
                    <fn-group content-type="footnotes">
                        <fn id="tfn1">
                            <label>*</label>
                            <p>p&lt;0.05.</p>
                        </fn>
                    </fn-group>
                </table-wrap-foot>
            </table-wrap>
            <p>Intraoperative and postoperative outcomes are shown in 
                <xref ref-type="table" rid="T2">Table 2</xref>. The outcomes were recorded for all surgeries performed on patients who underwent either mini-PCNL or standard PCNL. From the table, it can be observed that most patients were placed in the prone position in both groups. Access to the calyxes was mostly from the lower calyx in both groups, even though there was no significant difference between groups. The length of operation was significantly longer in the mini-PCNL group than in the standard PCNL group (97.55 vs 71.82 min, p = 0.008). Stone clearance was higher in the mini-PCNL group (SFR, 87.9%) than in the standard PCNL group (SFR, 59.1%); these differences were statistically significant. Generally, patients in the mini-PCNL group were mostly discharged totally tubeless, while they were mostly tubeless in the standard PCNL group, which led to a statistically significant difference (p = 0.012) between both groups in terms of the use of postoperative drainage tubes. In terms of complications, there was no significant difference between groups, and most surgeries did not induce any complications.</p>
            <table-wrap id="T2" orientation="portrait" position="float">
                <label>Table 2. </label>
                <caption>
                    <title>Intraoperative and postoperative outcomes.</title>
                </caption>
                <table content-type="article-table" frame="hsides">
                    <thead>
                        <tr>
                            <th align="left" colspan="1" rowspan="1" valign="top">Variable</th>
                            <th align="left" colspan="1" rowspan="1" valign="top">Mini-PCNL (n = 33)</th>
                            <th align="left" colspan="1" rowspan="1" valign="top">Standard PCNL (n = 22)</th>
                            <th align="left" colspan="1" rowspan="1" valign="top">P</th>
                        </tr>
                    </thead>
                    <tbody>
                        <tr>
                            <td align="left" colspan="1" rowspan="1" valign="top">Position, 
                                <italic toggle="yes">N</italic> (%)</td>
                            <td colspan="1" rowspan="1"/>
                            <td colspan="1" rowspan="1"/>
                            <td align="left" colspan="1" rowspan="3" valign="middle">0.008
                                <xref ref-type="table-fn" rid="tfn2">*</xref>
                            </td>
                        </tr>
                        <tr>
                            <td align="left" colspan="1" rowspan="1" valign="top">&#x2003;Prone</td>
                            <td align="left" colspan="1" rowspan="1" valign="top">24 (72.7)</td>
                            <td align="left" colspan="1" rowspan="1" valign="top">22 (100)</td>
                        </tr>
                        <tr>
                            <td align="left" colspan="1" rowspan="1" valign="top">&#x2003;Supine</td>
                            <td align="left" colspan="1" rowspan="1" valign="top">9 (27.3)</td>
                            <td align="left" colspan="1" rowspan="1" valign="top">0 (0)</td>
                        </tr>
                        <tr>
                            <td align="left" colspan="1" rowspan="1" valign="top">Calyceal puncture, 
                                <italic toggle="yes">N</italic> (%)</td>
                            <td colspan="1" rowspan="1"/>
                            <td colspan="1" rowspan="1"/>
                            <td align="left" colspan="1" rowspan="5" valign="middle">0.398</td>
                        </tr>
                        <tr>
                            <td align="left" colspan="1" rowspan="1" valign="top">&#x2003;Lower</td>
                            <td align="left" colspan="1" rowspan="1" valign="top">26 (78.8)</td>
                            <td align="left" colspan="1" rowspan="1" valign="top">18 (81.8)</td>
                        </tr>
                        <tr>
                            <td align="left" colspan="1" rowspan="1" valign="top">&#x2003;Middle</td>
                            <td align="left" colspan="1" rowspan="1" valign="top">2 (6.1)</td>
                            <td align="left" colspan="1" rowspan="1" valign="top">2 (9.1)</td>
                        </tr>
                        <tr>
                            <td align="left" colspan="1" rowspan="1" valign="top">&#x2003;Upper</td>
                            <td align="left" colspan="1" rowspan="1" valign="top">5 (15.2)</td>
                            <td align="left" colspan="1" rowspan="1" valign="top">1 (4.5)</td>
                        </tr>
                        <tr>
                            <td align="left" colspan="1" rowspan="1" valign="top">&#x2003;Multiple</td>
                            <td align="left" colspan="1" rowspan="1" valign="top">0 (0)</td>
                            <td align="left" colspan="1" rowspan="1" valign="top">1 (4.5)</td>
                        </tr>
                        <tr>
                            <td align="left" colspan="1" rowspan="1" valign="top">Length of operation (mean &#x00b1; SD), min</td>
                            <td align="left" colspan="1" rowspan="1" valign="top">97.55 &#x00b1; 31.4</td>
                            <td align="left" colspan="1" rowspan="1" valign="top">71.82 &#x00b1; 37.2</td>
                            <td align="left" colspan="1" rowspan="1" valign="middle">0.008
                                <xref ref-type="table-fn" rid="tfn2">*</xref>
                            </td>
                        </tr>
                        <tr>
                            <td align="left" colspan="1" rowspan="1" valign="top">Stone clearance, 
                                <italic toggle="yes">N</italic> (%)</td>
                            <td colspan="1" rowspan="1"/>
                            <td colspan="1" rowspan="1"/>
                            <td align="left" colspan="1" rowspan="3" valign="middle">0.023
                                <xref ref-type="table-fn" rid="tfn2">*</xref>
                            </td>
                        </tr>
                        <tr>
                            <td align="left" colspan="1" rowspan="1" valign="top">&#x2003;Complete</td>
                            <td align="left" colspan="1" rowspan="1" valign="top">29 (87.9)</td>
                            <td align="left" colspan="1" rowspan="1" valign="top">13 (59.1)</td>
                        </tr>
                        <tr>
                            <td align="left" colspan="1" rowspan="1" valign="top">&#x2003;Residual stones</td>
                            <td align="left" colspan="1" rowspan="1" valign="top">4 (12.1)</td>
                            <td align="left" colspan="1" rowspan="1" valign="top">9 (40.9)</td>
                        </tr>
                        <tr>
                            <td align="left" colspan="1" rowspan="1" valign="top">Postoperative drainage tube, 
                                <italic toggle="yes">N</italic> (%)</td>
                            <td colspan="1" rowspan="1"/>
                            <td colspan="1" rowspan="1"/>
                            <td align="left" colspan="1" rowspan="4" valign="middle">0.012
                                <xref ref-type="table-fn" rid="tfn2">*</xref>
                            </td>
                        </tr>
                        <tr>
                            <td align="left" colspan="1" rowspan="1" valign="top">&#x2003;Standard</td>
                            <td align="left" colspan="1" rowspan="1" valign="top">3 (9.1)</td>
                            <td align="left" colspan="1" rowspan="1" valign="top">3 (13.6)</td>
                        </tr>
                        <tr>
                            <td align="left" colspan="1" rowspan="1" valign="top">&#x2003;Tubeless</td>
                            <td align="left" colspan="1" rowspan="1" valign="top">11 (33.3)
                                <sup>a</sup>
                            </td>
                            <td align="left" colspan="1" rowspan="1" valign="top">15 (68.2)
                                <sup>a</sup>
                            </td>
                        </tr>
                        <tr>
                            <td align="left" colspan="1" rowspan="1" valign="top">&#x2003;Totally Tubeless</td>
                            <td align="left" colspan="1" rowspan="1" valign="top">19 (57.6)
                                <sup>b</sup>
                            </td>
                            <td align="left" colspan="1" rowspan="1" valign="top">4 (18.2)
                                <sup>b</sup>
                            </td>
                        </tr>
                        <tr>
                            <td align="left" colspan="1" rowspan="1" valign="top">Complications, 
                                <italic toggle="yes">N</italic> (%)</td>
                            <td colspan="1" rowspan="1"/>
                            <td colspan="1" rowspan="1"/>
                            <td align="left" colspan="1" rowspan="3" valign="middle">1</td>
                        </tr>
                        <tr>
                            <td align="left" colspan="1" rowspan="1" valign="top">&#x2003;Yes</td>
                            <td align="left" colspan="1" rowspan="1" valign="top">5 (15.2)</td>
                            <td align="left" colspan="1" rowspan="1" valign="top">3 (13.6)</td>
                        </tr>
                        <tr>
                            <td align="left" colspan="1" rowspan="1" valign="top">&#x2003;No</td>
                            <td align="left" colspan="1" rowspan="1" valign="top">28 (84.8)</td>
                            <td align="left" colspan="1" rowspan="1" valign="top">19 (86.4)</td>
                        </tr>
                    </tbody>
                </table>
                <table-wrap-foot>
                    <p>n, number of surgeries, PCNL, pediatric percutaneous nephrolithotomy; SD, standard deviation.</p>
                    <p>
                        <sup>a,b</sup> Significant pairwise z test with Bonferroni correction.</p>
                    <fn-group content-type="footnotes">
                        <fn id="tfn2">
                            <label>*</label>
                            <p>p &lt; 0.05.</p>
                        </fn>
                    </fn-group>
                </table-wrap-foot>
            </table-wrap>
        </sec>
        <sec id="sec7" sec-type="discussion">
            <title>Discussion</title>
            <p>Pediatric urolithiasis has a high recurrence rate, and its prevalence is growing globally in all age groups. The use of PCNL in the treatment of pediatric urolithiasis was initially shown by Woodside 
                <italic toggle="yes">et al.</italic>
                <sup>
                    <xref ref-type="bibr" rid="ref18">18</xref>
                </sup> in 1985, with an SFR of 100% in a single session using standard adult instruments. However, the use of a larger tract size in standard PCNL is associated with disadvantages, such as increased bleeding that necessitates transfusions, renal damage, or organ damage, including potential pneumothorax.
                <sup>
                    <xref ref-type="bibr" rid="ref16">16</xref>
                </sup>
                <sup>,</sup>
                <sup>
                    <xref ref-type="bibr" rid="ref19">19</xref>
                </sup> Therefore, the use of mini-PCNL has grown in prominence due to recent efforts to reduce the morbidities associated with using adult instruments, while maintaining high efficacy. The hypothesis for utilizing smaller devices through smaller diameter sheaths is that the narrower the PCNL tract, the less injury is caused to the renal parenchyma; consequently, related morbidity is reduced without affecting therapeutic efficacy.
                <sup>
                    <xref ref-type="bibr" rid="ref8">8</xref>
                </sup>
                <sup>,</sup>
                <sup>
                    <xref ref-type="bibr" rid="ref20">20</xref>
                </sup>
                <sup>,</sup>
                <sup>
                    <xref ref-type="bibr" rid="ref21">21</xref>
                </sup>
            </p>
            <p>In this study, we observed that older patients mostly underwent standard PNCL compared to younger patients who mostly underwent mini-PCNL, and the differences between the two means were statistically significant. A growing body of studies has put forward the perspective that larger sheaths cause more dilatation and, inadvertently, parenchymal and vascular injury in smaller kidneys.
                <sup>
                    <xref ref-type="bibr" rid="ref20">20</xref>
                </sup>
                <sup>&#x2013;</sup>
                <sup>
                    <xref ref-type="bibr" rid="ref22">22</xref>
                </sup> Thus, following this theory, it is a logical step to treat younger patients with a smaller sheath size to avoid these damages and the potentially long-term effects of using larger sheaths, which could explain this observation. However, the studies were mostly observational; hence, more scientific support from molecular studies and randomized controlled trials would allow this theory to be accepted universally.</p>
            <p>Another significant observation in this study was the intraoperative position of patients, that is, most patients were placed set in a prone position. Prone position is preferred given the familiarity over the supine position and the larger field of operation.
                <sup>
                    <xref ref-type="bibr" rid="ref16">16</xref>
                </sup> Furthermore, the success rate was high with acceptable complication rates.
                <sup>
                    <xref ref-type="bibr" rid="ref23">23</xref>
                </sup> However, given the disadvantages of prone position such as possible cervical trauma
                <sup>
                    <xref ref-type="bibr" rid="ref24">24</xref>
                </sup> and ventilatory difficulty due to restricted thorax and abdomen mobility,
                <sup>
                    <xref ref-type="bibr" rid="ref25">25</xref>
                </sup> there has been great interest towards the application of supine position. Initial reports have shown non-inferiority in the supine position. A study by Zhan 
                <italic toggle="yes">et al.</italic>
                <sup>
                    <xref ref-type="bibr" rid="ref23">23</xref>
                </sup> has described equal safety and effectiveness in both supine and prone positions. Another study by Gamal 
                <italic toggle="yes">et al.</italic>
                <sup>
                    <xref ref-type="bibr" rid="ref24">24</xref>
                </sup> evaluated the efficacy and safety of the supine position using mini-PCNL (sheath size, 19 Fr) and reported a high SFR of 92.5%, with two of 27 patients experiencing intraoperative complications. Furthermore, a study by Nerli 
                <italic toggle="yes">et al.</italic>
                <sup>
                    <xref ref-type="bibr" rid="ref25">25</xref>
                </sup> reported similar results regarding the safety and efficacy of the supine position in pediatric PCNL. As these reports were observational, further subgroup analysis or future comparative studies should be conducted to ascertain their effects on the outcome of surgeries. Thus, this observation highlighted the importance of the intraoperative positions as a factor affecting procedural outcomes.</p>
            <p>Thus, despite the current study and the aforementioned studies being observational, this study highlighted the importance of the intraoperative position as a factor affecting procedural outcomes one of the factors affecting the outcomes of the procedures. Further subgroup analysis or future comparative studies could be conducted to ascertain their effects on the outcome of surgeries.</p>
            <p>We observed that operational duration was significantly longer in the mini-PCNL group than that in the standard PCNL group (97.55 vs. 71.82, p &lt; 0.05). This result was in accordance with the results of other studies by Unsal 
                <italic toggle="yes">et al.</italic>,
                <sup>
                    <xref ref-type="bibr" rid="ref26">26</xref>
                </sup> Bilen 
                <italic toggle="yes">et al.</italic>,
                <sup>
                    <xref ref-type="bibr" rid="ref7">7</xref>
                </sup> Celik 
                <italic toggle="yes">et al.</italic>,
                <sup>
                    <xref ref-type="bibr" rid="ref6">6</xref>
                </sup> Ozden 
                <italic toggle="yes">et al.</italic>,
                <sup>
                    <xref ref-type="bibr" rid="ref16">16</xref>
                </sup> and Mahmood 
                <italic toggle="yes">et al.</italic>
                <sup>
                    <xref ref-type="bibr" rid="ref27">27</xref>
                </sup> The prolonged duration could be attributed to the limited visual field of smaller endoscopes. The need to extensively shatter the stones into smaller pieces to remove the pieces through the smaller sheath might also prolong operational length.</p>
            <p>In this study, the stone clearance rate was significantly higher in the mini-PCNL group than in the standard PCNL group (87.9% vs. 59.1%, p &lt; 0.05) in a single session. Similar SFR results were reported in several other studies that compared stone clearance using equipment of different sizes (i.e., mini-PCNL vs. standard PCNL); the SFR of mini-PCNL ranged from 76%-91.4% to 50%-98% for standard PCNL.
                <sup>
                    <xref ref-type="bibr" rid="ref6">6</xref>
                </sup>
                <sup>,</sup>
                <sup>
                    <xref ref-type="bibr" rid="ref16">16</xref>
                </sup>
                <sup>,</sup>
                <sup>
                    <xref ref-type="bibr" rid="ref20">20</xref>
                </sup>
                <sup>,</sup>
                <sup>
                    <xref ref-type="bibr" rid="ref26">26</xref>
                </sup>
                <sup>,</sup>
                <sup>
                    <xref ref-type="bibr" rid="ref27">27</xref>
                </sup> Nevertheless, in these studies, they obtained a higher SFR in the standard PCNL group, while we reported a higher SFR in the mini-PCNL group. Be that as it may, a study by Bilen 
                <italic toggle="yes">et al.</italic>
                <sup>
                    <xref ref-type="bibr" rid="ref7">7</xref>
                </sup> reported similar findings; they reported that the SFR in the 20-Fr sheath group and 26-Fr sheath group were 80% and 69.5%, respectively; the differences, however, were not statistically significant. To summarize, an increasing amount of evidence agrees that mini-PCNL is not inferior to standard PCNL in SFR.</p>
            <p>A plausible reason for the higher SFR in the mini-PCNL group could be the smaller stone burden in the mini-PCNL group than in the standard PCNL group, although the distribution was not significantly different. Indeed, an association between stone burden and SFR has been reported.
                <sup>
                    <xref ref-type="bibr" rid="ref28">28</xref>
                </sup>
                <sup>,</sup>
                <sup>
                    <xref ref-type="bibr" rid="ref29">29</xref>
                </sup> A study by Hussain 
                <italic toggle="yes">et al.</italic>
                <sup>
                    <xref ref-type="bibr" rid="ref30">30</xref>
                </sup> reported a trend where single treatment success decreased as stone size increased.</p>
            <p>Another possible reason for the higher SFR in the mini-PCNL group was the lower BMI, which was observed in this study; the mean BMI in the mini-PCNL group was lower than that in the standard PCNL group (17.0 vs. 17.6, p &gt; 0.05). Although no prior studies have compared the outcomes of mini-PCNL vs. standard PCNL in obese vs. non-obese pediatric settings, the Clinical Research Office of the Endourological Society (CROES) study by Fuller 
                <italic toggle="yes">et al.</italic>,
                <sup>
                    <xref ref-type="bibr" rid="ref31">31</xref>
                </sup> where standard PCNL was performed on 4 different groups based on BMI, demonstrated a lower SFR in the morbidly obese group than in the obese group (65.6% vs. 78.9%). Other similar studies also reported similar results, where SFR after standard PCNL seemed to be lower in patients with a higher BMI.
                <sup>
                    <xref ref-type="bibr" rid="ref32">32</xref>
                </sup>
                <sup>,</sup>
                <sup>
                    <xref ref-type="bibr" rid="ref33">33</xref>
                </sup> However, the effect of BMI on PCNL outcomes remains debatable, as several studies by Ferreira 
                <italic toggle="yes">et al.</italic>,
                <sup>
                    <xref ref-type="bibr" rid="ref34">34</xref>
                </sup> Alyami 
                <italic toggle="yes">et al.</italic>,
                <sup>
                    <xref ref-type="bibr" rid="ref35">35</xref>
                </sup> and Akbulut 
                <italic toggle="yes">et al.</italic>
                <sup>
                    <xref ref-type="bibr" rid="ref36">36</xref>
                </sup> showed that PCNL outcomes were independent of BMI. Thus, a large population-based study or randomized controlled trial is needed to ascertain the effect of BMI on PCNL outcomes, especially in the more recent mini-PCNL group.</p>
            <p>The standard procedure for drainage after pediatric PCNL includes inserting nephrostomy tubes and ureteric stents. Given the use of standard postoperative tube procedures, alternative procedures, such as tubeless and totally tubeless PCNL, began to gain traction. Instead of utilizing both ureteric stents and nephrostomy tubes, tubeless PCNL only uses ureteric stents, while totally tubeless PCNL forgoes both nephrostomy tubes and ureteric stents. These procedures have been associated with a shorter hospital stay and reduced need for analgesics.
                <sup>
                    <xref ref-type="bibr" rid="ref37">37</xref>
                </sup>
                <sup>,</sup>
                <sup>
                    <xref ref-type="bibr" rid="ref38">38</xref>
                </sup> Ultimately, the use of tubed or tubeless PCNL depends on the current complications, bleeding, and residual fragments. In this study, most patients were discharged totally tubeless after mini-PCNL, and the proportion was significantly different from that of standard PCNL. In contrast, with standard PCNL, most patients underwent a tubeless procedure. These results demonstrate the shifting trend of tubeless procedures after PCNL. Furthermore, the use of a totally tubeless procedure would imply that mini-PCNL induced minimal postoperative complications and thus continued to show the safety of mini-PCNL.</p>
            <p>Similar complication rates were observed after mini-PCNL and standard PCNL (15.2% vs. 13.6%), even though the differences were not significant. Major complications, such as pneumothorax and other organ injuries, were not recorded; however, lacerations of kidney parts, such as the infundibulum and inferior calyces, were observed. Signs of infection, such as pus, were documented in one patient who underwent mini-PCNL. While other common complications such as hemorrhage, fever, and the need for transfusion were not detailed in this study, preliminary data showed a similar safety profile between mini-PCNL and standard PCNL, which is in accordance with other studies that reported a similar overall complication rate between mini-PCNL and standard PCNL.
                <sup>
                    <xref ref-type="bibr" rid="ref6">6</xref>
                </sup>
                <sup>,</sup>
                <sup>
                    <xref ref-type="bibr" rid="ref13">13</xref>
                </sup>
                <sup>,</sup>
                <sup>
                    <xref ref-type="bibr" rid="ref27">27</xref>
                </sup>
            </p>
            <p>This study has some limitations. As this was an observational study, the results might suffer from selection and information biases and be undermined by confounding factors. This was true for age, which is one of the general characteristics of the populations and should be similar between the two populations. Data were also retrieved from a single institution with a limited sample size. Hence, further comparative research, particularly randomized controlled trials, are needed to corroborate the conclusions of this study.</p>
        </sec>
        <sec id="sec8" sec-type="conclusion">
            <title>Conclusion</title>
            <p>The management of pediatric urolithiasis has evolved over time. Mini-PCNL, which is a miniaturization of conventional PCNL, is the fundamental result of this evolution. In this study, we demonstrated that mini-PCNL is non-inferior, if not superior, to standard PCNL in safety and effectiveness in treating pediatric renal calculi. Mini-PCNL provided a high SFR and tubeless follow-up.</p>
        </sec>
    </body>
    <back>
        <sec id="sec12" sec-type="data-availability">
            <title>Data availability</title>
            <p>Open Science Framework: RAW DATA of Standard versus mini amplatz size in patients undergoing pediatric percutaneous nephrolithotomy through 16 years of experience: A Retrospective Study in single-center experience. 
                <ext-link ext-link-type="uri" xlink:href="https://doi.org/10.17605/OSF.IO/E9UWC">https://doi.org/10.17605/OSF.IO/E9UWC</ext-link>.
                <sup>

                    <xref ref-type="bibr" rid="ref38">38</xref>
</sup>
            </p>
            <p>This project contains the underlying patient data in xlsx format. Where two values are entered for a single patient, this refers to the same patient undergoing the procedure twice.</p>
            <p>Data are available under the terms of the 
                <ext-link ext-link-type="uri" xlink:href="https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/4.0/">Creative Commons Attribution 4.0 International license</ext-link> (CC-BY 4.0).</p>
            <sec id="sec9">
                <title>Reporting guidelines</title>
                <p>Open Science Framework: STROBE checklist for &#x2018;The data and STROBE checklist for &#x2018;Standard versus mini amplatz size in patients undergoing pediatric percutaneous nephrolithotomy through 16 years of experience: A Retrospective Study in single-center experience&#x2019;. 
                    <ext-link ext-link-type="uri" xlink:href="https://doi.org/10.17605/OSF.IO/E9UWC">https://doi.org/10.17605/OSF.IO/E9UWC</ext-link>.</p>
            </sec>
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            <p>The Authors reported a retrospective series of 55 PNL in pediatric patients (33 mini PNL and 22 standard PNL).</p>
            <p> They did not found any difference in terms of complication, but stone free rate and totally tubeless procedures were in favour of the mini PNL group. Instead standard PNL had a shorter operative time.</p>
            <p> Despite the topic is interesting, I feel that your manuscript could be reconsidered for indexed should you be prepared to incorporate some revisions.</p>
            <p> </p>
            <p> Minor revisions</p>
            <p> </p>
            <p> 1- What about the number of surgeons involved and their individual variation of expertise level in supine or prone approach for PNL? This could be a bias, if several surgeons with different levels of expertise were involved.</p>
            <p> </p>
            <p> </p>
            <p> 2- What were the reasons to perform some patients in prone or supine PNL? This is an interesting aspect</p>
            <p> </p>
            <p> 3- In supine patients did you perform a combine approach (ECIRS) or only a anterograde approcah (PNL)?</p>
            <p> </p>
            <p> Major revisions</p>
            <p> </p>
            <p> 4- What is the defintion of stone burden? This is an important data to know.</p>
            <p> </p>
            <p> 5-Please mention pre-operative and residual stones follow up imaging and protocol (US, CT scan, others)</p>
            <p> </p>
            <p> 6- Was location and number of stones also incorporated in the final analysis as in previous decade many papers have discussed importance of Guys stone score and other stones scores to overcome the compounding variables. (PMID:29631882). This data are important to undestand the complexity of the cases treated.</p>
            <p> </p>
            <p> 7- Discuss more contemporary papers on supine and prone in pediatric PNL (PMID:37962271 PMID:35962906).</p>
            <p>Is the work clearly and accurately presented and does it cite the current literature?</p>
            <p>Yes</p>
            <p>If applicable, is the statistical analysis and its interpretation appropriate?</p>
            <p>I cannot comment. A qualified statistician is required.</p>
            <p>Are all the source data underlying the results available to ensure full reproducibility?</p>
            <p>Yes</p>
            <p>Is the study design appropriate and is the work technically sound?</p>
            <p>Yes</p>
            <p>Are the conclusions drawn adequately supported by the results?</p>
            <p>Yes</p>
            <p>Are sufficient details of methods and analysis provided to allow replication by others?</p>
            <p>No</p>
            <p>Reviewer Expertise:</p>
            <p>Endourology, mini-invasive surgery, uro-oncology</p>
            <p>I confirm that I have read this submission and believe that I have an appropriate level of expertise to confirm that it is of an acceptable scientific standard, however I have significant reservations, as outlined above.</p>
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                        <p>&#x00a0;Being a retrospective single non-randomized study with a small sample size of 42 patients, who are unequally matched in the two groups, reduces the reliability and reproducibility of the findings of this study &#x00a0;</p>
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                        <p>This line in the abstract &#x201c;Even though it has been demonstrated that standard sheath PCNL is considered effective for children, smaller PCNL sheaths offers more experience&#x201d; Needs to be reconsidered. What does the author mean by offers more experience?</p>
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                        <p>The significant difference in age between the Mini-PCNL and standard PCNL groups raises concerns about the validity of the comparison and subsequent analysis, thereby raising the question of Selection Bias. &#x00a0;</p>
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                        <p>While the mean stone burden of both groups appears comparable, the criteria for opting Mini-PCNL or standard PCNL is unclear. &#x00a0;</p>
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                        <p>The mean access tract size for both groups has not been specified, despite Mini-PCNL and standard PCNL having wide range from 15-21 Fr and 22-30 Fr, respectively.</p>
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                        <p>Though the authors state that prone positioning was preferred over supine, the rationale provided lacks clarity. There are no details on the determining factors that led the surgeon to consider prone over supine.</p>
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                        <p>The authors need to address how they justify their finding of significantly higher stone-free rates in Mini-PCNL compared to standard PCNL when all the existing evidence points otherwise, especially considering the absence of any mention of additional modalities such as suction used alongside Mini-PCNL. This raises questions about the technique of the operating surgeon. Also, the imaging modality for declaring the patient stone free is not mentioned.</p>
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                        <p>Complications mentioned are not classified. Classification systems such as Clavien-Dindo would make the findings more comparable. Description of the type of complication is missing. One patient is quoted to have had &#x201c;signs of infection, such as pus&#x201d;, but there is no mention as to whether this pus was in the surgical site, perinephric or in the kidney and also there is no mention on the management of these complications.</p>
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                        <p>The authors state that there was a higher need of nephrostomy tube placement in the standard PCNL group, but there is no clarity on what were the factors that make them consider nephrostomy tube placement.</p>
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            <p> Based on these comments, I find major limitations in this study and I would not approve this Manuscript.</p>
            <p>Is the work clearly and accurately presented and does it cite the current literature?</p>
            <p>No</p>
            <p>If applicable, is the statistical analysis and its interpretation appropriate?</p>
            <p>Partly</p>
            <p>Are all the source data underlying the results available to ensure full reproducibility?</p>
            <p>No</p>
            <p>Is the study design appropriate and is the work technically sound?</p>
            <p>No</p>
            <p>Are the conclusions drawn adequately supported by the results?</p>
            <p>No</p>
            <p>Are sufficient details of methods and analysis provided to allow replication by others?</p>
            <p>No</p>
            <p>Reviewer Expertise:</p>
            <p>Endourology, Reconstructive and Functional Urology, Renal Transplant</p>
            <p>I confirm that I have read this submission and believe that I have an appropriate level of expertise to state that I do not consider it to be of an acceptable scientific standard, for reasons outlined above.</p>
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