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            <journal-id journal-id-type="pmc">F1000Research</journal-id>
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                <journal-title>F1000Research</journal-title>
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            <issn pub-type="epub">2046-1402</issn>
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                <publisher-name>F1000 Research Limited</publisher-name>
                <publisher-loc>London, UK</publisher-loc>
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            <article-id pub-id-type="doi">10.12688/f1000research.153384.1</article-id>
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                    <subject>Research Article</subject>
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                    <subject>Articles</subject>
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            <title-group>
                <article-title>Epigallocatechin-3-gallate (EGCG) reduced expression of Signal peptide-CUB-EGF domain-containing protein 3 (SCUBE3) and Transforming Growth Factor-&#x03b2;1 (TGF-&#x03b2;1) in visceral pleural tissue cultures of patients with empyema</article-title>
                <fn-group content-type="pub-status">
                    <fn>
                        <p>[version 1; peer review: 1 approved with reservations]</p>
                    </fn>
                </fn-group>
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                <contrib contrib-type="author" corresp="yes">
                    <name>
                        <surname>Riendra</surname>
                        <given-names>Muhammad</given-names>
                    </name>
                    <role content-type="http://credit.niso.org/">Conceptualization</role>
                    <role content-type="http://credit.niso.org/">Data Curation</role>
                    <role content-type="http://credit.niso.org/">Formal Analysis</role>
                    <role content-type="http://credit.niso.org/">Methodology</role>
                    <role content-type="http://credit.niso.org/">Project Administration</role>
                    <role content-type="http://credit.niso.org/">Writing &#x2013; Original Draft Preparation</role>
                    <uri content-type="orcid">https://orcid.org/0000-0002-4730-9537</uri>
                    <xref ref-type="corresp" rid="c1">a</xref>
                    <xref ref-type="aff" rid="a1">1</xref>
                </contrib>
                <contrib contrib-type="author" corresp="no">
                    <name>
                        <surname>Lipoeto</surname>
                        <given-names>Nur Indrawaty</given-names>
                    </name>
                    <role content-type="http://credit.niso.org/">Conceptualization</role>
                    <role content-type="http://credit.niso.org/">Formal Analysis</role>
                    <role content-type="http://credit.niso.org/">Investigation</role>
                    <role content-type="http://credit.niso.org/">Supervision</role>
                    <role content-type="http://credit.niso.org/">Validation</role>
                    <role content-type="http://credit.niso.org/">Visualization</role>
                    <role content-type="http://credit.niso.org/">Writing &#x2013; Review &amp; Editing</role>
                    <xref ref-type="aff" rid="a2">2</xref>
                </contrib>
                <contrib contrib-type="author" corresp="no">
                    <name>
                        <surname>Rita</surname>
                        <given-names>Rauza Sukma</given-names>
                    </name>
                    <role content-type="http://credit.niso.org/">Conceptualization</role>
                    <role content-type="http://credit.niso.org/">Data Curation</role>
                    <role content-type="http://credit.niso.org/">Formal Analysis</role>
                    <role content-type="http://credit.niso.org/">Investigation</role>
                    <role content-type="http://credit.niso.org/">Methodology</role>
                    <role content-type="http://credit.niso.org/">Supervision</role>
                    <role content-type="http://credit.niso.org/">Validation</role>
                    <role content-type="http://credit.niso.org/">Writing &#x2013; Review &amp; Editing</role>
                    <uri content-type="orcid">https://orcid.org/0000-0002-5127-4365</uri>
                    <xref ref-type="aff" rid="a3">3</xref>
                </contrib>
                <contrib contrib-type="author" corresp="no">
                    <name>
                        <surname>Basyar</surname>
                        <given-names>Masrul</given-names>
                    </name>
                    <role content-type="http://credit.niso.org/">Investigation</role>
                    <role content-type="http://credit.niso.org/">Methodology</role>
                    <role content-type="http://credit.niso.org/">Supervision</role>
                    <role content-type="http://credit.niso.org/">Validation</role>
                    <role content-type="http://credit.niso.org/">Visualization</role>
                    <role content-type="http://credit.niso.org/">Writing &#x2013; Review &amp; Editing</role>
                    <xref ref-type="aff" rid="a4">4</xref>
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                <aff id="a1">
                    <label>1</label>Division of Thoracic and Cardiovascular Surgery, Department of Surgery, Faculty of Medicine, Universitas Andalas, Padang, West Sumatra, 25163, Indonesia</aff>
                <aff id="a2">
                    <label>2</label>Department of Nutrition, Faculty of Medicine, Universitas Andalas, Padang, West Sumatra, 25163, Indonesia</aff>
                <aff id="a3">
                    <label>3</label>Department of Biochemistry, Faculty of Medicine, Universitas Andalas, Padang, West Sumatra, 25163, Indonesia</aff>
                <aff id="a4">
                    <label>4</label>Department of Pulmonology and Respiratory Medicine, Faculty of Medicine, Universitas Andalas, Padang, West Sumatra, 25163, Indonesia</aff>
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            <author-notes>
                <corresp id="c1">
                    <label>a</label>
                    <email xlink:href="mailto:riendra.btkv@gmail.com">riendra.btkv@gmail.com</email>
                </corresp>
                <fn fn-type="conflict">
                    <p>No competing interests were disclosed.</p>
                </fn>
            </author-notes>
            <pub-date pub-type="epub">
                <day>13</day>
                <month>8</month>
                <year>2024</year>
            </pub-date>
            <pub-date pub-type="collection">
                <year>2024</year>
            </pub-date>
            <volume>13</volume>
            <elocation-id>920</elocation-id>
            <history>
                <date date-type="accepted">
                    <day>5</day>
                    <month>8</month>
                    <year>2024</year>
                </date>
            </history>
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                <copyright-statement>Copyright: &#x00a9; 2024 Riendra M et al.</copyright-statement>
                <copyright-year>2024</copyright-year>
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                    <license-p>This is an open access article distributed under the terms of the Creative Commons Attribution Licence, which permits unrestricted use, distribution, and reproduction in any medium, provided the original work is properly cited.</license-p>
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            <abstract>
                <title>Abstract*</title>
                <sec>
                    <title>Background</title>
                    <p>Increased expression of signal peptide-CUB-EGF domain-containing protein 3 (SCUBE3) and Transforming Growth Factor-&#x03b2;1 (TGF-&#x03b2;1) has been thought to influence the fibrosis process in many tissues. However, increased expression of these two factors has never been assessed in pleural fibrosis. Pleural fibrosis is a disease that usually results from various infectious processes, such as empyema. Fibrosis formation is recently known to be prevented by Epigallocatechin-3-gallate (EGCG), which is the most potent active substance found in Gambir (Uncaria gambir Roxb) leaves. Thus, further research is needed to determine the potential of EGCG to inhibit the process of pleural fibrosis caused by empyema.</p>
                </sec>
                <sec>
                    <title>Methods</title>
                    <p>An in vitro experimental study with post test-only controlled group was conducted on the pleural tissue of all patients who underwent decortication surgery due to empyema at Dr. M. Djamil Hospital, Padang, Indonesia between March 1st and April 30, 2024. Case samples were obtained by consecutive sampling, and three patients who met the inclusion criteria were obtained. Pleural tissue in each patient was then divided into several groups based on the treatment, namely the control group, 50 &#x03bc;g EGCG administration group, and 100 &#x03bc;g EGCG administration group. We used to determine SCUBE3 and TGF-&#x03b2;1 genes expression. Data were tested using ANOVA and 
                        <italic toggle="yes">Least Significant Difference</italic> (LSD) tests.</p>
                </sec>
                <sec>
                    <title>Results</title>
                    <p>There were significant differences in the SCUBE3 and TGF-&#x03b2;1 genes expression of 50 &#x03bc;g and 100 &#x03bc;g EGCG administration groups and the control groups in the 2 &#x00d7; 2 cm sample preparation (
                        <italic toggle="yes">p</italic>=0.002) (
                        <italic toggle="yes">p=</italic>0.014, respectively). Significant differences in TGF-&#x03b2;1 expression were also found between the groups treated with EGCG 50 &#x03bc;g and 100 &#x03bc;g and the control group in the 1 &#x00d7; 1 cm preparation (
                        <italic toggle="yes">p=</italic>0.019).</p>
                </sec>
                <sec>
                    <title>Conclusion</title>
                    <p>EGCG can potentially decrease SCUBE3 and TGF-&#x03b2;1 expression in patients with pleural empyema.</p>
                </sec>
            </abstract>
            <kwd-group kwd-group-type="author">
                <kwd>Key words : Empyema</kwd>
                <kwd>Pleural Tissue</kwd>
                <kwd>Epigallocatechin-3-gallate</kwd>
                <kwd>Transforming Growth Factor-&#x03b2;</kwd>
                <kwd>SCUBE3</kwd>
            </kwd-group>
            <funding-group>
                <award-group id="fund-1" xlink:href="http://dx.doi.org/10.13039/501100014563">
                    <funding-source>Grant Research of Universitas Andalas</funding-source>
                    <award-id>1387/UN16</award-id>
                    <award-id>02</award-id>
                    <award-id>D/UPPM/2023</award-id>
                </award-group>
                <funding-statement>This research was supported by Grant Research from Universitas Andalas (1387/UN16.02). D/UPPM/2023),  on July 10th 2023. </funding-statement>
                <funding-statement>
                    <italic>The funders had no role in study design, data collection and analysis, decision to publish, or preparation of the manuscript.</italic>
                </funding-statement>
            </funding-group>
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    <body>
        <sec id="sec5" sec-type="intro">
            <title>Introduction</title>
            <p>Empyema is a medical condition characterized by accumulation of pus in the body cavity, particularly within the pleural space surrounding the lungs. The incidence of empyema in the United States is approximately 32,000 cases/year (
                <xref ref-type="bibr" rid="ref4">Bostock et al., 2018</xref>). The incidence of empyema continues to grow. According to a retrospective study conducted by Antonio Bobbio and colleagues in 2020, the number of patients with pleural empyema who were treated at the French National Hospital from 2013 to 2017 tended to increase. Bobbio found that the average incidence of empyema in 2013 was approximately 7.15 cases in 100,000 population and increased to 7.75 cases in 100,000 population in 2017 (
                <xref ref-type="bibr" rid="ref3">Bobbio et al., 2021</xref>).</p>
            <p>There is no clear data on the prevalence of empyema in Indonesia. However, based on the theory that empyema is a complication that accompanies pneumonia, it can be said that the development of pneumonia in Indonesia can be used as a benchmark to estimate the possible development of empyema. The prevalence of pneumonia based on the diagnosis of health workers in Indonesia according to Riskesdas 2018 increased from the previous year, which was 2.0%. Based on 2018 Riskesdas data, the prevalence of pneumonia in West Sumatra Province in 2018 was 1.7%, which increased from 1.4% in 2007. The percentage was calculated based on the number of cases per total population in the same age range (
                <xref ref-type="bibr" rid="ref12">Kemenkes RI, 2018</xref>).</p>
            <p>Inflammation caused by infection in the pleural space triggers a cascade of immune responses including the release of inflammatory cytokines and growth factors. These immune responses can stimulate the activation and proliferation of fibroblasts, which are responsible for producing collagen and other components of the extracellular matrix (
                <xref ref-type="bibr" rid="ref7">Feller-Kopman and Light, 2018</xref>).</p>
            <p>Studies have shown that Transforming Growth Factor-&#x03b2;1 (TGF-&#x03b2;1) is a key role in the development of fibrosis in various organs, including the pleura. This factor can bind to type II beta receptors (T&#x03b2;R-II) to activate the smad2 and smad3 pathways that play a role in the Mesothelial Mesenchymal Transition (MMT) process. This process converts pleural mesothelial cells into mesenchymal cells that further develop into fibroblast cells. If TGF-B continues to increase, the fibroblasts will turn into myofibroblasts, which are highly contractile cells that play a major role in the production of collagen and other extracellular matrix components, leading to excessive production of collagen and subsequent pleural fibrosis in empyema (
                <xref ref-type="bibr" rid="ref6">Cui and Liu, 2022</xref>).</p>
            <p>Activation of smad2 and smad3 pathways influenced by Signal peptide-CUB-EGF domain-containing protein 3 (SCUBE3). SCUBE3 is an endogenous ligand for the TGF-&#x03b2;1 receptor and is also involved in the regulation of MMT. Additionally, SCUBE3 modulates the activity of BMP-3, further contributing to the development of pleural fibrosis (
                <xref ref-type="bibr" rid="ref28">Tu et al., 2014</xref>).</p>
            <p>
                <italic toggle="yes">Epigallocatechin-3-gallate (</italic>EGCG) is a potent antioxidant and anti-inflammatory compound found in green tea, especially in the gambier leaves (U
                <italic toggle="yes">ncaria gambir</italic> Roxb). The plant is commonly found and cultivated in West Sumatera. (
                <xref ref-type="bibr" rid="ref30">Sampurno et al., 2007</xref>). EGGC has anti-inflammatory properties that can inhibit the formation of pro-inflammatory cytokines and profibrotic factors in inflammatory tissues (
                <xref ref-type="bibr" rid="ref18">Panji et al., 2021</xref>).</p>
            <p>However, the direct effect of EGCG on the expression of SCUBE3 and TGF-&#x03b2;1 in the context of empyema-induced pleural fibrosis has not been previously reported. This study aimed to examine the effect of EGCG on the expression of SCUBE3 and TGF-&#x03b2;1 in patients with fibrotic pleural empyema.</p>
        </sec>
        <sec id="sec6" sec-type="methods">
            <title>Methods</title>
            <p>This in vitro experimental study with a posttest-only controlled group design was conducted at Dr. M. Djamil Hospital, Padang, Indonesia between March 1st and April 30, 2024. The inclusion criteria in this study were patients who underwent pleural fibrosis decortication surgery due to empyema and were willing to participate in the study by filling out an informed consent sheet. Exclusion criteria in this study were pleural fibrosis patients accompanied by pleural effusion and patients with a history of pleural fibrosis other than due to empyema. Case samples were obtained by consecutive sampling and pleural tissue in each patient was divided into two large groups based on the incubation time, namely, 24 h and 72 h. Each group consisted of samples with 1 &#x00d7; 1 cm and 2 &#x00d7; 2 cm preparations that were administered three treatments, namely the control group, the group with 50 &#x03bc;g EGCG administration, and the group with 100 &#x03bc;g EGCG administration.</p>
            <p>Tissue culture, EGCG treatment, and examination of SCUBE3 and TGF-&#x03b2; genes expression were carried out at the Biomedical Laboratory of the Faculty of Medicine, University of Andalas (UNAND). Data analysis was performed to determine whether there was a difference in the mean SCUBE3 and TGF-&#x03b2;1 gene expression between groups.</p>
            <p>SCUBE3 and TGF-&#x03b2;1 cDNA were synthesized using a synthesis kit (Thermo Fisher Scientific, Vilnius, Lithuania). After cDNA synthesis was completed, RT-PCR was performed using gene primers in accordance with the design and temperature optimization using an Applied Biosystems Veriti 96 PCR Thermalcycler machine (PCR gradient) and Thermalcycler PCR PRD Flex PCR System. The primary outcomes were changes in SCUBE3 and TGF-&#x03b2;1 gene expression. The secondary outcome was the prevention of the development of fibrosis in the pleural tissue.</p>
            <sec id="sec7">
                <title>Data analysis</title>
                <p>The data normality test uses the 
                    <italic toggle="yes">Shapiro Wilk</italic> test to determine the normality of the data. If the data were normally distributed, then proceed with the 
                    <italic toggle="yes">Levene</italic> test to test the homogeneity of the data. If the data were normally distributed and homogeneous, it was continued with the ANOVA test. This test was conducted to assess whether there was a difference in the mean expression of SCUBE3 and TGF-&#x03b2;1 between all groups. A multiple comparison test or Least Significant Difference (LSD) was conducted after the ANOVA test to compare the expression of SCUBE3 and TGF-&#x03b2;1 in one group and another. If the data were not normally distributed and not homogeneous, 
                    <italic toggle="yes">Kruskal Wallis</italic> and 
                    <italic toggle="yes">Mann Whitney</italic> tests were performed.</p>
            </sec>
        </sec>
        <sec id="sec8" sec-type="results">
            <title>Results</title>
            <p>After monitoring all patients who underwent decortication surgery for two months, four patients met the inclusion criteria. Of the four samples, three samples were found to have viable pleural tissue for study.</p>
            <p>The results of the 
                <italic toggle="yes">Saphiro-Wilk</italic>&#x2013;Wilk normality test in each group indicated that the data were normally distributed. The 
                <italic toggle="yes">Levane</italic> homogeneity test was then performed, and the results demonstrated that the data were homogenous. Analysis of variance (ANOVA) and least significant difference (LSD) tests were run as the data were normally distributed and homogenous.</p>
            <sec id="sec9">
                <title>The mean SCUBE3 gene expression in 24 hours incubation</title>
                <p>The results of the ANOVA test showed that there were no significant differences in all groups of 1&#x00d7;1 cm and 2&#x00d7;2 cm preparations (
                    <italic toggle="yes">p=</italic>0.113) (
                    <italic toggle="yes">p=</italic>0.678), respectively (
                    <xref ref-type="fig" rid="f1">Figures 1</xref>, 
                    <xref ref-type="fig" rid="f2">2</xref>). As for differences between groups, LSD analysis showed that there was a significant difference between the control with 0 hours incubation and the control with 24 hours incubation in the 1&#x00d7;1 cm preparations (
                    <italic toggle="yes">p=</italic>0.025) (
                    <xref ref-type="fig" rid="f1">Figure 1</xref>).</p>
                <fig fig-type="figure" id="f1" orientation="portrait" position="float">
                    <label>Figure 1. </label>
                    <caption>
                        <title>Mean number of cells expressing SCUBE3 in 1&#x00d7;1 cm preparation of pleural tissue with 24 hours incubation period.</title>
                        <p>Notes: Significance values in all groups based on ANOVA test (p=0.113); &#x201c;a&#x201d; sign indicate significant differences between groups based on LSD comparison test (p&lt;0.05), a=0.025.</p>
                    </caption>
                    <graphic id="gr1" orientation="portrait" position="float" xlink:href="https://f1000research-files.f1000.com/manuscripts/168275/d4d699ff-a0f1-419b-8b88-991c68669a78_figure1.gif"/>
                </fig>
                <fig fig-type="figure" id="f2" orientation="portrait" position="float">
                    <label>Figure 2. </label>
                    <caption>
                        <title>Mean number of cells expressing SCUBE3 in 2&#x00d7;2 cm preparation of pleural tissue with 24 hours incubation period.</title>
                        <p>Notes: Significance values in all groups based on ANOVA test (p=0.678).</p>
                    </caption>
                    <graphic id="gr2" orientation="portrait" position="float" xlink:href="https://f1000research-files.f1000.com/manuscripts/168275/d4d699ff-a0f1-419b-8b88-991c68669a78_figure2.gif"/>
                </fig>
            </sec>
            <sec id="sec10">
                <title>The mean SCUBE3 gene expression in 72 hours incubation</title>
                <p>In samples incubated for 72 hours, the ANOVA test showed that there was no significant difference in the 1&#x00d7;1 cm preparation group (p=0.443) (
                    <xref ref-type="fig" rid="f3">Figure 3</xref>). A significant relationship was observed in the 2&#x00d7;2 cm preparation group (p=0.002) (
                    <xref ref-type="fig" rid="f4">Figure 4</xref>). LSD test showed a significant difference between the control with 0 hour incubation and the groups administered EGCG 50 &#x03bc;g and 100 &#x03bc;g in the 2&#x00d7;2 cm preparation (p=0.002) (p=0.001) respectively (
                    <xref ref-type="fig" rid="f4">Figure 4</xref>). Significant differences were also found between the control with 72 hours incubation and the groups administered EGCG 50 &#x03bc;g and 100 &#x03bc;g in 2&#x00d7;2 preparations (p=0.041) (p=0.008) respectively (
                    <xref ref-type="fig" rid="f4">Figure 4</xref>).</p>
                <fig fig-type="figure" id="f3" orientation="portrait" position="float">
                    <label>Figure 3. </label>
                    <caption>
                        <title>Mean number of cells expressing SCUBE3 in 1&#x00d7;1 cm preparation of pleural tissue with 72 hours incubation period.</title>
                        <p>Notes: Significance values in all groups based on ANOVA test (p=0.443).</p>
                    </caption>
                    <graphic id="gr3" orientation="portrait" position="float" xlink:href="https://f1000research-files.f1000.com/manuscripts/168275/d4d699ff-a0f1-419b-8b88-991c68669a78_figure3.gif"/>
                </fig>
                <fig fig-type="figure" id="f4" orientation="portrait" position="float">
                    <label>Figure 4. </label>
                    <caption>
                        <title>Mean number of cells expressing SCUBE3 in 2&#x00d7;2 cm preparation of pleural tissue with 72 hours incubation period.</title>
                        <p>Notes: Significance in all groups based on ANOVA test (p=0.002); different &#x201c;a,b,c&#x201d;,&#x2026;. indicate significant differences between groups based on LSD comparison test (p&lt;0.05), SD: Standard Deviation, a=0.002, b=0.001, c=0.041, d=0.008.</p>
                    </caption>
                    <graphic id="gr4" orientation="portrait" position="float" xlink:href="https://f1000research-files.f1000.com/manuscripts/168275/d4d699ff-a0f1-419b-8b88-991c68669a78_figure4.gif"/>
                </fig>
            </sec>
            <sec id="sec11">
                <title>The mean TGF-&#x03b2;1 gene expression in 24 hours incubation</title>
                <p>The ANOVA test showed a significant relationship in the 1&#x00d7;1 cm preparation group (p=0.019) (
                    <xref ref-type="fig" rid="f5">Figure 5</xref>) and there was no significant relationship in the 2&#x00d7;2 preparation group (p=0.375) (
                    <xref ref-type="fig" rid="f6">Figure 6</xref>) LSD test showed significant differences between the control with 0 hours incubation and the control with 24 hours incubation (p=0.003) (
                    <xref ref-type="fig" rid="f5">Figure 5</xref>). Significant differences were also observed between the control group with 24 hours incubation and the group administered EGCG 50 &#x03bc;g and 100 &#x03bc;g in 1&#x00d7;1 cm preparation (p=0.016), (p=0.035) respectively (
                    <xref ref-type="fig" rid="f5">Figure 5</xref>).</p>
                <fig fig-type="figure" id="f5" orientation="portrait" position="float">
                    <label>Figure 5. </label>
                    <caption>
                        <title>Mean number of cells expressing TGF-&#x03b2;1 in 1&#x00d7;1 cm preparation of pleural tissue with 24 hours incubation period.</title>
                        <p>Notes: Significant values in all groups based on ANOVA test (p=0.019); different a,b,c,&#x2026;. indicate significant differences between groups based on LSD comparison test (p &lt; 0.05), SD: Standard Deviation, a=0.003, b=0.016, c=0.035.</p>
                    </caption>
                    <graphic id="gr5" orientation="portrait" position="float" xlink:href="https://f1000research-files.f1000.com/manuscripts/168275/d4d699ff-a0f1-419b-8b88-991c68669a78_figure5.gif"/>
                </fig>
                <fig fig-type="figure" id="f6" orientation="portrait" position="float">
                    <label>Figure 6. </label>
                    <caption>
                        <title>Mean Number of Cells ExpressingTGF-&#x03b2;1 in 2&#x00d7;2 cm Preparation of Pleural Tissue with 24 Hours Incubation Period.</title>
                        <p>Notes: Significance values in all groups based on ANOVA test (p=0.375).</p>
                    </caption>
                    <graphic id="gr6" orientation="portrait" position="float" xlink:href="https://f1000research-files.f1000.com/manuscripts/168275/d4d699ff-a0f1-419b-8b88-991c68669a78_figure6.gif"/>
                </fig>
            </sec>
            <sec id="sec12">
                <title>The mean TGF-&#x03b2;1 gene expression in 72 hours incubation</title>
                <p>The ANOVA test showed there was no significant relationship in the group 1&#x00d7;1 cm preparation (p=0.65) (
                    <xref ref-type="fig" rid="f7">Figure 7</xref>). A significant relationship was observed in the 2&#x00d7;2 cm preparation group (p=0.014) (
                    <xref ref-type="fig" rid="f8">Figure 8</xref>). LSD test showed significant differences between the control with 0 hours incubation and the groups administered EGCG 50 &#x03bc;g and 100 &#x03bc;g in 2&#x00d7;2 preparations (p=0.005) respectively (
                    <xref ref-type="fig" rid="f8">Figure 8</xref>).</p>
                <fig fig-type="figure" id="f7" orientation="portrait" position="float">
                    <label>Figure 7. </label>
                    <caption>
                        <title>Mean number of cells expressing TGF-&#x03b2;1 in 1&#x00d7;1 cm preparation of pleural tissue with 72 hours incubation period.</title>
                        <p>Notes: Significance values in all groups based on ANOVA test (p=0.65).</p>
                    </caption>
                    <graphic id="gr7" orientation="portrait" position="float" xlink:href="https://f1000research-files.f1000.com/manuscripts/168275/d4d699ff-a0f1-419b-8b88-991c68669a78_figure7.gif"/>
                </fig>
                <fig fig-type="figure" id="f8" orientation="portrait" position="float">
                    <label>Figure 8. </label>
                    <caption>
                        <title>Mean number of cells expressing TGF-&#x03b2;1 in 2&#x00d7;2 cm preparation of pleural tissue with 72 hours incubation period.</title>
                        <p>Notes: Significant values in all groups based on ANOVA test (p=0.014); different a,b,c,&#x2026;. indicate significant differences between groups based on LSD comparison test (p&lt;0.05), SD: Standard Deviation, a,b = 0.005.</p>
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        </sec>
        <sec id="sec13" sec-type="discussion">
            <title>Discussion</title>
            <sec id="sec14">
                <title>Effect of EGCG on SCUBE3 expression in pleural tissue of empyema patients</title>
                <p>Several studies have shown that SCUBE3 is associated with the development of several human cancers. Several studies have found an association between SCUBE3 and early stage lung cancer (
                    <xref ref-type="bibr" rid="ref5">Chou et al., 2013</xref>), osteosarcoma (
                    <xref ref-type="bibr" rid="ref15">Liang et al., 2015</xref>), liver cancer (
                    <xref ref-type="bibr" rid="ref29">Xu et al., 2022</xref>), breast cancer (
                    <xref ref-type="bibr" rid="ref20">Shen et al., 2024</xref>), and the tooth development phase (
                    <xref ref-type="bibr" rid="ref11">Huo et al., 2021</xref>). Based on these studies, it is possible that SCUBE3 expression can also increase in other types of diseases, such as inflammatory diseases caused by empyema infection.</p>
                <p>To the best of our knowledge, research on SCUBE3 expression in patients with empyema has not been conducted. Several studies have shown that empyema indirectly affects SCUBE3 expression. This began with a study conducted by Fiorelli in 2016, who found that pleural fluid levels of MMP-1, MMP-8, and MMP-9 were higher in patients with empyema parapneumonic effusions. MMP-2 levels were higher in patients with effusion but without empyema (
                    <xref ref-type="bibr" rid="ref8">Fiorelli et al., 2016</xref>).</p>
                <p>Regarding its relationship with SCUBE3, research conducted by Qin in 2021 showed that MMP-2 and MMP-9 are proteins known to show the highest correlation with SCUBE3. This research supports the finding that empyema patients with increased levels of MMP-2 and MMP-9 also show an increase in the expression of SCUBE3 (
                    <xref ref-type="bibr" rid="ref11">Huo et al., 2021</xref>). It is also possible that MMP-1 and MMP-8 which are also widely secreted in empyema patients can also be related to SCUBE3, this can be material for future research. The findings of this study, which revealed an increase in SCUBE3 expression in pleural samples of empyema patients after 24 hours of incubation, may be supported by the findings of the aforementioned studies.</p>
                <p>Regarding the effect of EGCG on SCUBE3, no studies have directly analyzed the relationship between the two. However, several studies have discussed the effect of EGCG on MMPs, a protein that is correlated with SCUBE3 (
                    <xref ref-type="bibr" rid="ref11">Huo et al., 2021</xref>). Research conducted by Garbisa et al. showed that EGCG can suppress the gelatinolytic activity of MMP2 and MMP9 (
                    <xref ref-type="bibr" rid="ref9">Garbisa et al., 2001</xref>). An explanation of this process was explained in Maeda-Yamamoto&#x2019;s study which found that EGCG inhibited phosphorylation of extracellular signal-regulated kinase 1/2 (ERK) and suppression of p38 activity which is required for the upregulation of MMP9 (
                    <xref ref-type="bibr" rid="ref16">Maeda-Yamamoto et al., 1999</xref>).</p>
                <p>These findings suggest that the suppression of ERK phosphorylation by EGCG is involved in the decrease in MMP2 and MMP9 mRNA expression. Similar results were obtained by Cheng-hung and colleagues, who found that EGCG also reduced ERK phosphorylation and the levels of AP-1 and Sp1, leading to the downregulation of MMP2 and MMP9 (
                    <xref ref-type="bibr" rid="ref5">Chou et al., 2013</xref>).</p>
                <p>The decreased expression of MMP2 and MMP9, which are proteins that correlate with SCUBE3, suggests that the decreased expression of MMP2 and MMP9 can also reduce the expression of SCUBE3. This supports the results obtained in this study, where researchers found that samples given EGCG at a concentration of 50 &#x03bc;g or 100 &#x03bc;g had a lower SCUBE3 expression than the control sample. This study has limitations because it did not assess the expression of MMP2 and MMP9; therefore, this can be used as a suggestion for future research.</p>
            </sec>
            <sec id="sec15">
                <title>Effect of EGCG on TGF-&#x03b2;1 expression in pleural tissue of empyema patients</title>
                <p>The increase in TGF-&#x03b2;1 expression in pleural control samples from empyema patients in this study is in line with the findings of several previous studies. Research conducted by Scott et al. in 2003 on rabbit-induced empyema found that there was an increase in TGF-&#x03b2;1 concentration in the pleural fluid of mice (
                    <xref ref-type="bibr" rid="ref19">Sasse et al., 2003</xref>). One year later this research was supported by Craig and friends who found that intrapleural injection of anti-TGF-&#x03b2;1 in the pleura of mice induced by empyema was known to inhibit the development of empyema and significantly reduce the process of rabbit pleural fibrosis (
                    <xref ref-type="bibr" rid="ref13">Kunz et al., 2004</xref>).</p>
                <p>The opposite result was found by Samanta and colleagues in 2018, who observed an increase in TGF-&#x03b2;1 levels in mice with induced pleural empyema. The study found no significant difference in TGF-&#x03b2;1 concentration between the experimental and control groups. However, they found a significant decrease in TGF-&#x03b2;1 levels between 12 and 24 h after bacterial inoculation (
                    <xref ref-type="bibr" rid="ref21">da Silva et al., 2018</xref>).</p>
                <p>Differences in research results may be due to differences in sample types and research objects. Research conducted by Scott and Craig examined the concentration of TGF-&#x03b2;1 in rabbit pleural fluid and Samanta examined the concentration in mouse pleural fluid. Meanwhile, this study used human pleural tissue to observe the presence of TGF-&#x03b2;1 expression. The difference in sample types between pleural tissue in both humans and experimental animals may have affected the results obtained, although there are studies that show that there are highly homologous TGF-&#x03b2;1 amino acid sequences among mammalian species (
                    <xref ref-type="bibr" rid="ref26">Terrell et al., 1993</xref>).</p>
                <p>We speculate that the increased expression of TGF-&#x03b2;1 in pleural tissue in this study occurred because of inflammation caused by empyema infection. This is based on the finding of TGF-&#x03b2;1 in mesothelial cells (
                    <xref ref-type="bibr" rid="ref10">Gerwin et al., 1987</xref>) alveolar macrophages (
                    <xref ref-type="bibr" rid="ref1">Assoian et al., 1987</xref>), lymphocytes, fibroblasts (
                    <xref ref-type="bibr" rid="ref2">Awad et al., 1998</xref>) and inflammatory cells in the stimulated pleural fluid. All these cell types are present in the visceral pleura and in some inflammatory exudates during early fibrotic formation in empyema (
                    <xref ref-type="bibr" rid="ref17">Martin et al., 2000</xref>). Previous studies that examined the relationship between TGF-&#x03b2;1 and pleural disease also suggested that the elevated TGF-&#x03b2;1 in pleural fluid is produced by inflammatory cells (
                    <xref ref-type="bibr" rid="ref14">Lee and Lane, 2001</xref>).</p>
                <p>To the best of our knowledge, no study has discussed the effect of EGCG on TGF-&#x03b2;1 in the pleural tissue. Research on this topic is often focused on lung fibrosis and cancer. For example, research conducted by Sriram and colleagues on lung fibrosis in bleomycin-induced mice showed that EGCG can inhibit fibroblast activation and collagen accumulation by inhibiting TGF-&#x03b2;1 expression. Based on these results, EGCG is considered to be an effective therapy for lung fibrosis. In an in vitro study, Sriram and colleagues also revealed that EGCG was able to reverse TGF-&#x03b2;1 induced proliferation and activation of fibroblasts (
                    <xref ref-type="bibr" rid="ref22">Sriram et al., 2015</xref>).</p>
                <p>The same study was conducted by Tsai et al. in a rat lung fibrosis model. Tsai showed that EGCG decreased TGF-&#x03b2;1 expression, MMP-2, and MMP-9 levels, and also had anti-fibrotic effects. This study also found that EGCG reduced mortality; improved lung histological changes; reduced serum levels of TGF-&#x03b2;1, IL-6, IL-10, and TNF&#x03b1;; and reduced collagen deposition and fibroblast proliferation (
                    <xref ref-type="bibr" rid="ref27">Tsai et al., 2019</xref>).</p>
                <p>Although the two studies were only on lung fibrosis, they support the results of this study, which showed that there was a decrease in TGF-&#x03b2;1 expression in the pleura of patients given EGCG as much as 50 &#x03bc;g and 100 &#x03bc;g EGCG in the first 72 hours of incubation. A possible mechanism to explain the inhibitory effect of EGCG on TGF-&#x03b2;1 activation is the suppression of various TGF-&#x03b2;1 activators such as inflammatory cytokines, MMPs, macrophages, and other inflammatory cells (
                    <xref ref-type="bibr" rid="ref23">Sriram et al., 2009</xref>). The authors also assume that such a mechanism is also involved in the reduction of TGF-&#x03b2;1 expression in pleural tissue.</p>
            </sec>
        </sec>
        <sec id="sec16" sec-type="conclusion">
            <title>Conclusion</title>
            <p>In Summary, our research indicated that EGCG has the potential to lower SCUBE3 and TGF-&#x03b2;1 expression in patients with pleural empyema. This discovery might have applications in EGCG treatment to prevent pleural fibrosis in patients with empyema in the future.</p>
            <sec id="sec17">
                <title>Ethical and consent</title>
                <p>The research was approved by the Universitas Andalas Ethical Clearance Committee (Protocol number: DP.04.03/D.XVI.XI/26/2024), and the gatekeeper&#x2019;s consent letters were provided by Dr. M. Djamil of the Teaching Hospital on January 9, 2024 and is valid until January 2025. This research has been declared to be ethically appropriate in accordance to 7 (seven) WHO 2011 Standards, 1) Social values, 2) Scientific Values, 3) Equitable Assessment and Benefits, 4) Risks, 5) Persuasion/Exploitation, 6) Confidentiality and Privacy, and 7) Informed Consent, referring to the 2016 CIOMS Guidelines. This is as indicated by the fulfilment of the indicators of each standard. All the participants provided written informed consent.</p>
            </sec>
        </sec>
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        <sec id="sec20" sec-type="data-availability">
            <title>Data availability</title>
            <p>Zenodo: [Bar Charts of the Analysis of SCUBE3 and TGF-B Gene Expression]. 
                <ext-link ext-link-type="uri" xlink:href="https://doi.org/10.5281/zenodo.12716059">https://doi.org/10.5281/zenodo.12716059</ext-link> (
                <xref ref-type="bibr" rid="ref24">Riendra 
                    <italic toggle="yes">et al</italic>., 2024a</xref>).</p>
            <p>This project contains the following underlying data:
                <list list-type="bullet">
                    <list-item>
                        <label>&#x2022;</label>
                        <p>Mean SCUBE3 Gene Expression in 1&#x00d7;1 cm Preparation of Pleural Tissue with 24 Hours Incubation Period</p>
                    </list-item>
                    <list-item>
                        <label>&#x2022;</label>
                        <p>Mean SCUBE3 Gene Expression in 2&#x00d7;2 cm Preparation of Pleural Tissue with 24 Hours Incubation Period</p>
                    </list-item>
                    <list-item>
                        <label>&#x2022;</label>
                        <p>Mean SCUBE3 Gene Expression in 1&#x00d7;1 cm Preparation of Pleural Tissue with 72 Hours Incubation Period</p>
                    </list-item>
                    <list-item>
                        <label>&#x2022;</label>
                        <p>Mean SCUBE3 Gene Expression in 2&#x00d7;2 cm Preparation of Pleural Tissue with 72 Hours Incubation Period</p>
                    </list-item>
                    <list-item>
                        <label>&#x2022;</label>
                        <p>Mean TGF-&#x03b2;1 Gene Expression in 1&#x00d7;1 cm Preparation of Pleural Tissue with 24 Hours Incubation Period</p>
                    </list-item>
                    <list-item>
                        <label>&#x2022;</label>
                        <p>Mean TGF-&#x03b2;1 Gene Expression in 2&#x00d7;2 cm Preparation of Pleural Tissue with 24 Hours Incubation Period</p>
                    </list-item>
                    <list-item>
                        <label>&#x2022;</label>
                        <p>Mean TGF-&#x03b2;1 Gene Expression in 1&#x00d7;1 cm Preparation of Pleural Tissue with 72 Hours Incubation Period</p>
                    </list-item>
                    <list-item>
                        <label>&#x2022;</label>
                        <p>Mean TGF-&#x03b2;1 Gene Expression in 2&#x00d7;2 cm Preparation of Pleural Tissue with 72 Hours Incubation Period</p>
                    </list-item>
                </list>
            </p>
            <p>Data are available under the terms of the 
                <ext-link ext-link-type="uri" xlink:href="https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/4.0/">Creative Commons Attribution 4.0 International license</ext-link> (CC-BY 4.0).</p>
            <p>Zenodo: 
                <bold>[Raw Data of Polymerase Chain Reaction (RT-PCR) results of SCUBE3 and TGF-B expression]</bold>, 
                <ext-link ext-link-type="uri" xlink:href="https://doi.org/10.5281/zenodo.12250382">https://doi.org/10.5281/zenodo.12250382</ext-link> (
                <xref ref-type="bibr" rid="ref25">Riendra 
                    <italic toggle="yes">et al</italic>., 2024b</xref>).</p>
            <p>This project contains the following underlying data:
                <list list-type="bullet">
                    <list-item>
                        <label>&#x2022;</label>
                        <p>Raw data of the SCUBE3 gene expression</p>
                    </list-item>
                    <list-item>
                        <label>&#x2022;</label>
                        <p>Raw data of the TGF-&#x03b2;1 gene expression</p>
                    </list-item>
                </list>
            </p>
            <p>Data are available under the terms of the 
                <ext-link ext-link-type="uri" xlink:href="https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/4.0/">Creative Commons Attribution 4.0 International license</ext-link> (CC-BY 4.0).</p>
        </sec>
        <ack>
            <title>Acknowledgements</title>
            <p>The authors would like to thank the family and colleagues of Dr. M. Djamil Hospital Padang, who provided support until this study could be carried out. The authors would also like to thank the team of analysts from the Biomedical Laboratory of Andalas University who assisted with the completion of this study.</p>
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                        <surname>El-Koa</surname>
                        <given-names>Amal Ali</given-names>
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                    <label>1</label>Menoufia University, Shebeen El-Kom, Menofia Governorate, Egypt</aff>
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                        <bold>Competing interests: </bold>No competing interests were disclosed.</p>
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            <p>The review of the original paper entitled &#x201c;Epigallocatechin-3-gallate (EGCG) reduced expression of Signal peptide-CUB-EGF domain-containing protein 3 (SCUBE3) and Transforming Growth Factor-&#x03b2;1 (TGF-&#x03b2;1) in visceral pleural tissue cultures of patients with empyema&#x201d;</p>
            <p> </p>
            <p> 
                <bold>Comments:</bold>
            </p>
            <p> 
                <bold>
                    <underline>Methods</underline>:</bold> 
                <list list-type="bullet">
                    <list-item>
                        <p>The sample size is too small.</p>
                    </list-item>
                </list> Comment: 
                <italic>Can you mention how the method of sample size calculation?</italic>
            </p>
            <p> &#x00a0; 
                <list list-type="bullet">
                    <list-item>
                        <p>Preparations used were 1x1cm and 2x2 cm</p>
                    </list-item>
                </list> Comment: 
                <italic>Can you mention the explanation of using 2 different preparations?</italic>
            </p>
            <p> </p>
            <p> </p>
            <p> 
                <underline>
                    <bold>Results and discussion:</bold> </underline>
            </p>
            <p> </p>
            <p> Some results need to be explained as there is some conflict:</p>
            <p> 
                <italic>Regarding SCURBE3 expression in 1x1 cm preparations (figures 1 and 3)</italic>
            </p>
            <p> &#x00a0; 
                <list list-type="bullet">
                    <list-item>
                        <p>Significance between control 0hr and 24 hr, while no significance between controls in 0hr and 72 hrs&#x2026;..
                            <italic>is there any explanation?</italic>
                        </p>
                    </list-item>
                </list> &#x00a0; 
                <list list-type="bullet">
                    <list-item>
                        <p>
                            <italic>Regarding TGF-&#x00df; 1 expression in </italic>
                        </p>
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            <p> A significant relationship in the 1&#x00d7;1 cm preparation groups with 24-hour incubation (figure 5) and there was no significant relationship in the 1&#x00d7;1 preparation group&#x00a0;with 72-hour incubation (figure 7), while in the 2x2 cm preparation group the reverse occurred in Figure 6 and 8.</p>
            <p> Can you explain why this occurred?</p>
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                            <italic>Add the limitations of your study.</italic>
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            <p> The spelling and grammar should be revised.</p>
            <p>Is the work clearly and accurately presented and does it cite the current literature?</p>
            <p>Yes</p>
            <p>If applicable, is the statistical analysis and its interpretation appropriate?</p>
            <p>I cannot comment. A qualified statistician is required.</p>
            <p>Are all the source data underlying the results available to ensure full reproducibility?</p>
            <p>Yes</p>
            <p>Is the study design appropriate and is the work technically sound?</p>
            <p>Partly</p>
            <p>Are the conclusions drawn adequately supported by the results?</p>
            <p>Yes</p>
            <p>Are sufficient details of methods and analysis provided to allow replication by others?</p>
            <p>Partly</p>
            <p>Reviewer Expertise:</p>
            <p>pulmonology</p>
            <p>I confirm that I have read this submission and believe that I have an appropriate level of expertise to confirm that it is of an acceptable scientific standard, however I have significant reservations, as outlined above.</p>
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                            <surname>Riendra</surname>
                            <given-names>Muhammad</given-names>
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                        <aff>Surgery, Universitas Andalas, Padang, West Sumatra, Indonesia</aff>
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                            <bold>Competing interests: </bold>No competing interests were disclosed.</p>
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                <pub-date pub-type="epub">
                    <day>25</day>
                    <month>9</month>
                    <year>2024</year>
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                <p>Dear Mr. Amal Ali El-Koa</p>
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                <p> Thank you for your willingness to be a reviewer on our research titled 
                    <italic>&#x201c;Epigallocatechin-3-gallate (EGCG) reduced expression of Signal peptide-CUB-EGF domain-containing protein 3 (SCUBE3) and Transforming Growth Factor-&#x03b2;1 (TGF-&#x03b2;1) in visceral pleural tissue cultures of patients with empyema&#x201d;</italic> &#x00a0;We appreciate the time and effort that you have dedicated to providing your valuable feedback on our manuscript. We are grateful to the reviewers for their insightful comments on my paper. We have been able to incorporate changes to reflect most of the suggestions provided by the reviewers.&#x00a0; We have highlighted the changes within the manuscript. Here is a point-by-point response to the reviewers&#x2019; comments and concerns.</p>
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                    <bold>Comment 1</bold>:&#x00a0;
                    <italic>Can you mention how the method of sample size calculation?</italic>
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                    <bold>Response:</bold> In this study, we did not use a sample calculation formula because this research is in vitro experimental study with primary tissue culture from patients. Because resource is human, we calculate sample size using human sample size, in this investigation,&#x00a0;we acquired&#x00a0;only three patients&#x00a0;who met the inclusion criteria. Therefore, we have added the explanation in the methodology section.</p>
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                    <bold>Comment 2: </bold>
                    <italic>Can you mention the explanation of using 2 different preparations?</italic>
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                    <bold>Response:&#x00a0;</bold>There were research indicates that the best preparations size for culturing human pleural mesothelial cells and pleural fibroblasts is 8.5 mm. Therefore, for easier measurement, we standardized it to 1x1 cm. Meanwhile, for the 2x2 cm preparation, we were&#x00a0;trying to expand the size to see if a larger size can still serve as a reference for making tissue preparations. Numerous studies indicate that bigger specimen sizes are susceptible to necrosis; however, our findings reveal that tissue samples measuring 2x2 cm did not exhibit necrosis. We suggest that&#x00a0;utilizing a 2x2 cm preparation&#x00a0;could encourage novel approaches in the examination of pleural tissue collection methodologies.</p>
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                    <bold>Comment 3: </bold>
                    <italic>Significance between control 0hr and 24 hr, while no significance between controls in 0hr and 72 hrs&#x2026;..is there any explanation?</italic>
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                    <bold>Response:</bold> You have raised an important point here. In this study, we found a significant difference between the 0-hour incubation control and the 24-hour incubation. However, there was no difference between the 0-hour incubation control sample and the 72-hour incubation. This is possible because increasing of&#x00a0; SCUBE3 expression is greater in the control with 24 hours incubation&#x00a0; than 72 hour incubation. We have not found literature that specifically discusses the changes of SCUBE3 expression at certain times in pleural tissue culture. But, some study found that gene expression in tissue culture can change over time. Research has demonstrated that gene expression is dynamic and can vary significantly depending on various factors, including the duration of culture, cellular environment, and specific treatments applied.</p>
                <p> &#x00a0; &#x00a0; &#x00a0; &#x00a0; &#x00a0; &#x00a0; &#x00a0; Studies have shown that gene expression profiles can change at different time points during cell culture. For instance, one study observed significant transcriptional changes in cells treated with a carcinogen over time, with specific genes showing increased or decreased expression at various intervals from one hour to eight days post-treatment. (Ohmori et al., 2022) Another study highlighted that the transcriptional profiles of human adipose-derived stem cells differ significantly between freshly isolated cells and those expanded in culture (passage 0 vs. passage 1). This indicates that the process of culturing cells can lead to substantial alterations in gene expression profiles.(Januszyk et al., 2015).</p>
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                    <bold>Comment 4</bold>
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                        <bold>: </bold>A significant relationship in the 1&#x00d7;1 cm preparation groups with 24-hour incubation (figure 5) and there was no significant relationship in the 1&#x00d7;1 preparation group&#x00a0;with 72-hour incubation (figure 7), while in the 2x2 cm preparation group the reverse occurred in Figure 6 and 8. Can you explain why this occurred?</italic>
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                    <bold>Response: </bold>We found that the 1x1 cm control sample incubated for 24 hours had a higher expression of the TGF-&#x03b2;1 gene compared to the 1x1 cm control sample incubated for 72 hours. This resulted a significant difference between the 0-hour incubation control and the 24-hour incubation control. Researchers suspect that the reason for the significant increase in TGF-&#x03b2;1 expression after 24 hours of incubation is the same as that occurring in SCUBE3 expression. This leads to a new finding where the control samples of tissue culture incubated for 24 hours exhibit greater gene expression than those incubated for 72 hours.</p>
                <p> &#x00a0; &#x00a0; &#x00a0; &#x00a0; &#x00a0; &#x00a0; &#x00a0; &#x00a0; &#x00a0; &#x00a0;This study also found that there is a significant difference in TGF-&#x03b2;1 expression in the 2x2 cm samples incubated for 0 hours compared to the samples treated with 50 &#x00b5;g and 100 &#x00b5;g of EGCG incubated for 72 hours. The reason for this result is that EGCG is capable of reducing TGF-&#x03b2;1 expression by suppressing various TGF-&#x03b2;1 activators such as inflammatory cytokines, MMPs, macrophages, and other inflammatory cells (Sriram et al., 2009). In addition to the factor of EGCG administration, the reduction in TGF-&#x03b2;1 expression in the samples incubated for 72 hours was also lower than in those incubated for 24 hours. The reason for this has been explained previously. Thus, this is what causes the significant difference in the samples treated with 50 &#x00b5;g and 100 &#x00b5;g of EGCG incubated for 72 hours compared to those incubated for 24 hours.</p>
                <p> &#x00a0;&#x00a0;&#x00a0;&#x00a0;&#x00a0;&#x00a0;&#x00a0;&#x00a0;&#x00a0;&#x00a0;&#x00a0; Therefore, we have added the details in the discussion section.</p>
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                    <bold>Comment 5: </bold>
                    <italic>Add the limitations of your study.</italic>
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                    <bold>Response:</bold> Thank you for your reminder to complete this study. We have add some limitations to this study. We will restate the phrase here :</p>
                <p> &#x201c; This study did not explore the presence of other profibrotic factors that could potentially influence the occurrence of pleural fibrosis such as matrixmetalloproteinase-1,2,8, and 9 (MMP-1, MMP-2, MMP-8, and MMP-9). &#x00a0;The researchers only studied the effects of EGCG on pleural tissue, it is preferable to perform a comparative trial of the effect of EGCG on the potential fibrosis in pulmonary tissue due to empiema.&#x201d;</p>
                <p> &#x00a0; &#x00a0; &#x00a0; &#x00a0; &#x00a0; &#x00a0; &#x00a0; &#x00a0; In addition to the above comments, all spelling and grammatical errors pointed out by the reviewers have been corrected. We look forward to hearing from you in due time regarding our submission and to respond to any further questions and comments you may have.</p>
                <p> Sincerely,</p>
                <p> Muhammad Riendra</p>
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